Posted on 04/12/2011 5:27:44 PM PDT by Politics4US
Tonight while talking about Trump, Levin said the birther movement gets us nowhere, and he has no part of the movement. He also said he will have his administrator delete comments on his facebook criticizing him for this.
I’m not a one-person issue either, but it’s important to show where he is on this if O’Reilly gets criticism.
The information in a COLB is, as a practical matter, meaningless.
The reason is that there are three (3) levels of information at least in the HI birth records, including original registraation info, the INDEX of data extracted, and the info requested and issued in a COLB.
There are multiple and myriad ways that the original registration information may have been filed. From a standard hospital birth affirmation, to legally allowed “late registrations” “registrations of foreign born children of Hawaii citizens” amendments and alterations of existing birth records, including to modify the existing record for ADOPTION which may include changing the fathers name on the original record. In consequence of many of these variations, the original records may be SEALED and not thereafter subject to review at all. Information on the COLB from the INDEX may not match in many instances the original registration information. Some original registrations do not require any third party verification but may be made on statement by a parent or other applying person, and if at all may be based on nothing other than a family bible entry.
But the most intriquing example of how a birth registration may have been made in Hawaii prior to 1972, is via a late birth registration (subject to later change or amendment) which at that time could be made solely at the discretion of the director of health on affidavit of a parent, possible without any other confirming information. See: Hawaii code of regulations Public Health Regulations Chapter 8 former section 14. “Delayed Birth Registration” (”..additional evidence MAY be required”).
Whatever statutory legal presumptions may apply to a COLB under Hawaii law the simple truth is that due to the wide variety of manner and circumstances of registration, past lax evidentiary standards, potential for amendment and alteration such as by adoption, potential sealing of original records..and a COLB based only on Indexed data reflecting the revisions and nothing else.
A significant factor in continuing doubt as to Obama’s progeny is the unusual circumstance of no physician or hospital taking credit or being unequivocally named by Obama as his birthplace.
I care because the issue is important.
I’m a “paleo birther” and I think we’re going to get nowhere by this route. Better to take it to the states and get a couple to require proof.
Even if it were proven 100% that obama is ineligible tomorrow, he would still be there till the next election at least. It would lead to a big ongoing fight in Washington that would likely end with a deal. Our congress simply isn’t going to remove Obama without having a huge majority in both the house and senate.
At this point its most effective at dividing conservatives and that needs to stop. We aren’t all going to agree on this and that’s a simple fact. There are plenty of other issues we do agree on and those agreements should come first.
Agreed. A lot of Freepers are wee-weed for this ONE issue when Levin has been consistent at every show. I’m still shocked that some observations of some Freepers that the BC issue is NUMBER ONE but the marxist-communist facade of the Kenyan Klown is NOT? It’s as shocking as finding that a number of freepers are pro-fag in some threads.
Levin is much more than a talkshow host. He runs Landmark Legal Foundation who has been instrumental in the current anti-obamacare class action suit in Florida.
Levin of course even wrote a book about judicial activism and about how the left-wing democrats are intentionally trying to destroy our Constitution. I have always been a fan of his and had even called his show many times years ago. Met him once as well at a book signing.
It amazes me though how ignorant he is on this Constitutional issue. I guess the term ‘natural born citizen’ could mean anything at all to Levin.
He says that this issue gets us nowhere? How does an issue thst is strictly about trying to uphold the Constitution get us nowhere?
Ignoring the issue as Levin suggests gets another part of the Constitution trampled upon and voided.
BOR deserves criticism because he’s a lying, conniving, Obama butt-licking POS. Levin is a straight-shooter. Sure, they both don’t buy the LBC issue but Levin has said more stuff than are closer to a lot of what Freepers are thinking. What BOR spouts is typical drivel.
Proving the muslim is not a natural born system would be a lot easier to overturn obamacare. I got news for Mr. Levin. It will never be ruled unconstitutional by the SC nor will the rino congress defund it. It’s in the bag so you might as well get used to it. JMO
Anyone criticizing Mark Levin is a fool. He is a passionate, intelligent, take no prisoners conservative. Period.
I had to snap off the radio when I heard him starting that rant. I really could not stomach it, coming from him. It’s far too disappointing for me to hear him say it.
I just don’t get what goes through the minds of people in Levin’s position, when they make statements that run counter to the ideas of most of those who listen to them.
You’d think they’d never talked to the average man in the street, or a Tea Partier. On this issue, Mark Levin is out of the mainstream. If I were him, I would be a bit more gentle in explaining my position to my listeners, but Mark pretty much tore the subject up with that rant.
I think that was a mistake. My guess is, that most of his listeners care deeply about the subject, and want Obama to prove to us that he’s legally holding the office of president.
Our chances are still far better in the states. We’ve actually had the issue taken up in some state legislatures.
Continuing with this birther issue is like splitting 10’s in blackjack.
You better be prepared. If Trump comes up zilch on this thing, that will be the end of the issue all together. He is rolling the dice and investigating this to the hilt. There will be no more doubt when he is done or Trump will be publicly humiliated like Jerry Rivera standing in front of an empty Capone's vault.
Levin never talked about it when Obama became president.
Also where there’s smoke, there’s fire. And Obama spent $2 million putting up a smoke screen.
Levin’s entitled to his opinion.
And I’m entitled to mine.
My opinion is that the burden is on someone who wants to hold an office to prove that he meets the qualifications for the office.
The Fraud has not done that. We deserve to have the proof.
Regardless of what Levin says.
Not true, at least for any real practical purposes. Obama will show his COLB to AZ, they say it’s insufficient. He will sue, win, get his name back on the ballot and laugh at us. It would get expedited to the SCOTUS and you would not get 1 justice to agree that a COLB is insufficient. Not. One. Single. SCOTUS. Judge. I hate Obama as much as you - just saying this is how it would play out legally.
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