Posted on 04/08/2011 9:20:07 PM PDT by Brian_Baldwin
Congratulations House Speaker John Boehner, thank you and my respect for you has grown so much in this one night. You did the stand up job, you are the man and I am willing to say so and take the jibes from those who say it isn’t so. I say Thanks again, this is the first step, may be a small step but it was also a big step in mind set and in showing the power of the Republican leadership. When I say my respect for you has jumped in no small way, I really mean it for what it’s worth coming from just another Republican in the Middle Class. For some, they are going to say that someone blinked, that it wasn’t 60 billion, but those who know the score also know that this was a huge victory for Republicans, yes the Tea Party, and the first strike in the battle front that is yet to come and the win was ours. In regards to abortion, it’s already in the wording that tax payer money should not go to pay for that – as the battle moves forward the day of reckoning is coming for the abortionists who take our tax money as well, this is the first step in a bigger battle to come. God bless and continue the great job.
Did you know that when Fred Thompson said he was not running for another term in the seante it was the Bush White House who rushed Family Friend Moderate Alexander into the limelight? The speculation started before Fred even announced. There were two other very fine record proved Conservatives who could have won but were shut out by the party. If you think Lamar Alexander is a Conservative you have no idea of Conservatism.
I vote Conservative in all cases and I ignore GOP party loyalty if they are running Liberals. Liberal Republicans from Tennessee? Here's you a few. Lamar Alexander, Bill Frist, Bob Corker, Zack Wamp who despite his district saying NO voted yes on bailouts, Fred Thompson I would put as leaning Moderate. Now you really want to see Liberal GOP look up former governor Don Sundquist-R A RINO’s RINO and the best governor the liberal DEMs ever had working for them. Party loyality elected him twice. Look up the Tennessee Income Tax Revolt in FR.
Being a Republican does not make a person Conservative. Being a Conservative in all aspects and sticking with it even against popular parties is being a real Conservative who fights the fight for what is right.
“Being a Republican does not make a person Conservative. Being a Conservative in all aspects and sticking with it even against popular parties is being a real Conservative who fights the fight for what is right.”
I’m a conservativer Republican. I breach no third parties. I suggest yoou find yourself another party.
conservativer = conservative above. Typo.
It was a huge victory for the tea party. The debate in Washington now is what, where and how much to cut. We need another decisive election victory to pass substantial cuts and change the size and scope of government. Boehner is not the problem. It's liberal Democrats who stand in our way. We need to defeat as many of them as possible in 2012, including Obama.
To borrow a quote and change a party name from the greatest GOP POTUS to hold office I didn't leave the GOP it left me. The GOP surrender of Conservatism as a party came under Nixon by having Ford as VP who in turn appointed Rockefeller as his VP thus legitimizing the liberalism of the Republican Party.
Except for the terms of Reagan the GOP has been to the Democratic Party & liberalism what a person buying drinks is to an alcoholic meaning being an enabler. Trying to pacify liberals by giving in to them does not work. Dole, Newt, Graham, Lugar, McCain, Alexander, Snowe, Collins, Frist, Lott, to name a few in the houses and Ford, GHW Bush, GW Bush holding the POTUS position did just that.
Unless you are willing to say no to the GOP and actualy mean it even as far as to withhold your vote when the canidate is wrong and instead simply vote for the person who is in fact a Conservative {meaning in some cases a third party} then you simply give the GOP no reason or pressure to change. They know they can count on you and those like you for votes when they abandon the conservative platform.
Until the GOP once again learns to fear wrath of Conservative Voters and fears it more than it loves maintaining power by surrender to liberalism the GOP will never have reason to change.
We’re being played by the powers-that-be in DC. Is it coincidence that, as Boehner was preparing to cave over a measly $30 billion, our attention was redirected to Paul Ryan’s budget and its supposed $6 billion (now already being reduced to $4 billion)? Where, really, has the GOP shown any resolve to reduce spending by any significant amount?
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Obama has increased Federal spending by $600 billion a year. Proposed Federal spending remains at the high level that included the supposedly temporary “stimulus” spending. If Obama agrees to $60 billion in “cuts”, he still keeps spending 90% of the increase!
It’s a problem. What do you think we will accomplish in this congress with a hostile senate and administration? We need to win the next election. The best we can do for the next year and a half is to keep it from getting worse.
We don’t really know about the Senate because Pubbies haven’t tested it. A lot of Dems in not-that-blue states (like my state’s McCaskill) have to face the voters in 2012. Why don’t the Pubbies test them by giving the Senate to vote upon the things they promise us.
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Best case: they peel some Dems off the majority and pass some legislation. (That is what Reagan did.)
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Worst case: they give Pubbie challengers something to use against the Dems in 2012.
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IMO the current Pubbie leaders aren’t getting the job done, either because they aren’t up to it in terms of political skill, or because they really don’t want to do that in which they pretend to be interested. In either case, it warrants their dismissal.
If you think owning 1/3 of the political power, including the chamber in which spending measures must arise entitles you to <1%, it's no wonder you think this is a victory, and no wonder the Democrats have been winning since the 1930's without any serious contraction in spending or their agenda.
You think watching this disgusting spectacle go on and on and on for literally decades is hotheadedness? Really?! No such thing. It's the end of a very calm patience with one defeat after another just like this one. You really have no concept of how desperate our situation is here at all, do you?
You really have no concept of how desperate our situation is here at all, do you?
And you have no idea how governments function, do you. You have no concept of the division of our gov’t into Senate, House, Prez and what you can do and can’t do to pass bills. You know, like the House can initiate a spending bill and pass it, the Senate must then pass their own version of the bill, it must be reconciled, and vetoed or not vetoed by the Prez. Now, unless you want a dictatorship and think you can pass something without going thru these steps, then you had better have a serious talk with our forefathers who set this method up. Get real.
“To borrow a quote and change a party name from the greatest GOP POTUS to hold office I didn’t leave the GOP it left me.”
Reagan moved from one of our two Party system to another. Geez put on your thinking cap. He went from a Dem to a Pub, got it? Not to a Perot-type party, not to the Libertarians, not to a Green Party (if it had existed back then), but from one of our two parties to the other. Again, if you don’t like the Pub Party, start your own or go over to another one. There are plenty to choose from. Go over to the Constitutional Party. Just go. If you aren’t willing to make your own Party more conservative from within and without hating your own Party all of the time, then it’s time you leave. Don’t let the door slam....
The two vastly differing on most issues sides of the GOP can no longer exist together nor is it healthy for our nation for the GOP to remain as such a party. Either the Rockefeller Liberals or the Conservatives are going to have to leave the building and stay gone.
The GOP has been taken over basically by the same ones who control the Democratic Party and it seems there is no turning it back. The only thing that can end it is to defund it as many have started doing even here in FR and vote for individual candidates based solely on their own platform, record, and character. For me sometimes it's a Republican and sometimes it's a Conservative third party. I will never vote a straight party ticket again or party sake.
Then you aren’t a Republican, and you should go elsewhere. Don’t constantly badmouth a Party you claim you can’t even vote for with any consistency. Join some other one.
If no bill is passed, then what happens? The government shuts down. I see no problem with that.
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Government is the Democrats’ god. Are they really going to allow it to go completely unfed? If the Pubbies had any guts, any will, any conviction to do what they promise, they wouldn’t shy away from a shutdown.
Maybe you better do some serious thinking about how the GOP operates and just who in fact is controlling it now. Poppy didn't listen to conservatives he lost. Dole didn't listen he lost also. Junior nearly lost and only the way he barely won was the fact it was Tarnished Al Gore in 2000 and Looney Left Kerry in 2004 did he even win by a very small margin. McCain didn't listen and he lost. Who should the GOP run in 2112? Lindsey Graham because moderates and the media love him so much? Yea that should work out fine. /sarcasm
Votes should never be strictly political party based. That is a recipe for tyranny and and an open invitation for a coming dictatorship. Votes should be based solely on individual platform, individual record and qualifications, and individual character.
I bad mouth the GOP because it pretends to be something it isn't. I loathe the DEMs Party but hey at least they make it openly known they are Socalist. The GOP can't be two parties and survive. The GOP being DEM LITE is destroying our nation as much as The Dems because it is shutting out any true policy opposition.
That is the true despotism in this debate, a tyranny you're allowing to continue -- all while pathetically invoking the "Founders." Good grief. Washington is whirling in his grave like a lathe, Madison spinning like a top, over your ilk.
Even more appalling, you apply the handcuffs of "compromise" (there was none) to our side, but not to theirs. We must be satisfied with $38 bn in fictional "cuts" while they can be overjoyed by $1400 bn in actual spending in money we don't have (and $2600 bn more in spending from taxes, most of which is not justified, either morally or Constitutionally.)
The Founders explicitly and Constitutionally forbade an income tax, and all but a few of them were quite vocal about having, ZERO national debt. [Hamilton's was probably the only significant voice in favor of borrowing.] Beyond the 47% of discretionary spending on the military, most money allocated in this budget is implicitly forbidden by the Tenth Amendment; and ALL of the Entitlement Programs of the 1930's and beyond are forbidden by the Bill of Rights, by explicit Article I (Sections 7, 8 and 9) Constitutional strictures, pre-ratification Constitutional debate, and post-revolutionary tradition and precedent. Please don't pretend you know anything about US history or governance; you simply don't. Your position is untenable and completely at odds with the America that the Founders created.
Theirs' is the side that needs spending, not ours. We should have shut the government down and let 0bama continue to proclaim that he would veto stopgap funding that paid the military. 0 would have taken the blame for that, and would have caved quickly; and once the armed forces were taken care of, there was no reason for us to do anything but raise, not lower, the ante.
You have been hosed, my FRiend. Completely, thoroughly, and shamelessly. And now you're trying to sell your silly Republican talking points on FR. No sale. Boehner can swallow a crap sandwich and tell us how good it tastes with his mouth full, but informed conservatives aren't having any.
I love how squishy "Republicans" are constantly lecturing conservatives about how we have to continue to enable their capitulations. Now '47 is telling me she's on the side of the "Founders."
As if.
Here's the truth: despite the fact that conservatives are the heart, soul, and deep-pockets of the GOP, and always have been, we've had just two actual conservatives since 1900: Coolidge and Reagan. Teddy: liberal, Hoover: liberal, Nixon: liberal. Eisenhower, Ford, the Bushes: go-along-to-get-alongs.
It's also amusing because they're actually the first to abandon ship despite all the sanctimony. Who went from Capitol Hill to the White House to tell Nixon (a liberal Republican on every issue except anticommunism) they wouldn't fight for him? Hugh Scott and the rest of the pansy liberal and moderate 'Pubs. Who wrote the laudatory articles and actually voted for BH0? Peggy Noonan, Chris Buckley (not even a shadow of his old man) Kathleen Parker, David Brooks and all the other conservative haters, leaving the rest of us to defend the indefensible John McCain [the very linguine they foisted on us to begin with.]
My prediction: '47 will be lecturing us next year about how we've got to do an amnesty deal, or some other inanity that the Beltway GOP loves.
I just don't get it how someone can vote GOP no matter what when they have candidates who say things like "Mr Gore and I are not that far apart on most issues" Or "I think Hillary would make a fine POTUS", or "The president "OBama" is doing a great job" and last the one that used the term "The New World Order".
Reagan wasn't a perfect conservative but he was to the right of his own party and took the nation right. Poppy Bush undid that his first two years. The GOP's favorite whipping boy in relation to Poppy's loss is Perot. Had Poppy stayed the Reagan course there would not have been a Perot campaign.
Their favorite whipping boy over the Middle East state sponsored terrorism is Carter. Well actually it was Gerald Ford's EO that set the thing in motion my considering thug dictators as heads of state and prohibited targets for covert removal. He eliminated the fear of retribution and within one POTUS term it happened. Don't get me wrong Carter is the second worse POTUS ever but even Carter late in his third year starting addressing some of the military morale issues. I was active duty Navy than and saw the changes happening. It's sad when Carter in his term did more to improve the Navy than W with a two house majority.
I blame the GOP congress era 1995-2001 as well as Clinton and even Poppy Bush for that matter for allowing our military to be taken to a point where two U.S. Navy carriers failed critical readiness evaluations. Two career aircraft carrier Navy Captain's were relieved of duty for decisions mostly made by congress and the Pentagon as to the funding for needed shipyard work.
I look back at the events and policies from early 1989 when Reagan left office too now and if I did not know better I would swear we have been under a Dem House and senate majority as well as had a DEM POTUS for the past 22 years. In an operational policy sense we indeed have had just that.
The GOP is on it's way to ending the same way it began meaning as a liberal party. Reagan would not recognize the GOP of today nor would he remain silent about it's direction either. I don't know why GOP shills keep mentioning the so called Reagan's 11th commandment because Reagan didn't go by it himself when he knew he was right and it was a critical issue.
“We should have shut the government down and let 0bama continue to proclaim that he would veto stopgap funding that paid the military. 0 would have taken the blame for that, and would have caved quickly; and once the armed forces were taken care of, there was no reason for us to do anything but raise, not lower, the ante.”
And what your approach to this subject does is to thoroughly jeopardize our chances at victory next year in the Prez elections. What do you think would happen once you would have had the gov’t shut down? Every day the MSM, which in case you haven’t noticed, is not on our side, would have been out there blaming the Pubs for the shutdown, while we would have had little voice to get our point across to the majority of Americans who get their news in soundbites on the evening news. Your mistake is to think that everyone out there thinks just like you do, and they don’t.
There are tons out there that don’t like the gov’t going through constant meltdowns, and who just want the parties to compromise and come up with good solutions to our fiscal problems. Right after this most recent crisis where a compromise was reached and the gov’t didn’t shut down, a poll was taken (granted it was a CNN poll) that gave Obama and the Dems the credit for solving this fiscal crisis, not the Republicans. And it was by a 10 plus point majority.
And tell me, how many times, Mr. American Historian, did the threat of shutting down the gov’t occur, I might add, only in recent history? I’ll do the work for you, there have been 11 shutdowns since 1981, and with the exception of 1995, all have been for less than 3 days. In 1995 one lasted 5 days and the other lasted 21 days. Now, it’s obvious to me that our forefathers never expected a gov’t shutdown to be part of their plans for our form of governing as all the threats and actualities of a shutdown have happened since 1981. I don’t like the idea of a gov’t shutdown. I don’t like threats that can have huge consequences on how our gov’t operates day to day and how it affects our citizenry and/or our military service members. It stinks. It reminds me of the Dems in both Wisconsin and Indiana leaving their states legislatures in order to avoid having votes taken on issues they didn’t like. I see it as dereliction of duty.
If the constant threats coming out of the Pub Party right now to shut down the gov’t or not raise the debt ceiling haven’t already seriously damaged our Party’s image in the minds of the public, the actuality of it happening will end up being blamed on the Pub Party by the MSM and the point pounded in every day by the news media. And all of this chest pounding and threats by the Pubs to use shutdown as a lever to extract more from the Dems won’t work because we don’t have both Houses of Congress (we have 1/2 of one, luckily the majority half), no Senate, and no Presidency.
The Dems can hold out as they have no more to lose than we do because they have the MSM to do their propaganda for them every day of the week. Meanwhile more of the “common” folk would be getting aggravated because the MSM would be scaring them of the dire consequences coming their way, and symbolic moves would be made to make that aggravation all the more obvious. The President can control much of what would be shut down, and who would be affected fiscally, not the Pubs. In the case of not approving the debt increase, whole markets would be affected, it would cost a bundle, no one out there in the world would service our debt w/out charging a heap to do so, interest rates would rise (including on credit cards, which would affect huge swathes of people), and the odds are that we wouldn’t extract that much more from the Dems to justify any shutdown or financial disruption in the first place. I just think you live in LaLaLand as to what will really happen if all you chest thumpers managed to force a gov’t shut down or cause a failure to raise the debt ceiling.
People are financially scared right now, many living from paycheck to paycheck (including our military people), and the last thing they need to hear about is Armegeddon (whether it is true or not, that’s how it will be portrayed in the MSM) and constant threats of disruption to their daily lives. They are under a lot of stress without the additional burden of a dysfunctional gov’t.
My whole point is that we not take the chance of ruining our ability to win the Senate and the Presidency one year and three months from now, by falling on our sword at the present for only minor gains in savings while the Dems still control both the Senate, and the Presidency with its veto power. We are drawing our line in the sand at the wrong time politically because we are so gung ho with our new Tea Party strength that we can’t seem to keep our pants on for the sake of the big picture, which is to capture it all during the next election.
If we don’t capture it all, those Tea Partiers will get nowhere fast in the future in their fiscal responsibility attempts because we still will not have a majority in at least one house of Congress, and perhaps no Presidency. If that happens, I will be the very first to blame people such as yourself who insist on ultimatums now when we don’t have the votes to back them up. Fie on the Party destruction you stand to cause.
47 reporting in here. My creds, to refute your insinuations based on no knowledge at all. I am a total anti-amnesty freak, want a fence built along the entire southern border, if possible, and want id check at all workplaces. So much for one of your accusations you lobbed.
I am a birther through and through. Are you? I want anti-Sharia laws passed in all States and want barely any visas that could develop into permanent residency later, issued to any Muzzies. I want our financial house put in order, that is, when we win next year’s elections, the Presidency and both houses of Congress.
I want Medicare and Medicaid cleared of all fraud and abuse, and I want privatization of virtually all that can be privatized. I want no death panels. I want no Obamacare ever. I want fair trade along with free trade, and attempt to stop certain other countries from cheating to our disadvantage in the world market.
I want strength and respect and a good chunk of fear to be the basis for our foreign relations, not how much the rest of the world likes us. I want spending cuts or elimination of all areas of gov’t including but not limited to the EPA, Public Television/Radio, Planned Parenthood, the Dept. of Education and other useless Depts in gov’t, for good. I suspect you get the general idea here.
Ok, bigmouth, what are your conservative creds, other than a willingness to lay down on your sword now for short term gain, rather than go for the long term win of our Party taking over all three branches of gov’t in this next Presidential election. At that point, we can frame gov’t as we want with no impediments. If you ruin our ability to do so for current bragging rights, I and many other rational, logical folks out here will be gunning for the likes of you to blame.
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