Posted on 04/08/2011 9:20:07 PM PDT by Brian_Baldwin
We control 1/3 of the process. That means we should have started with $467 bn in cuts to the FY deficit budget RIGHT NOW and negotiated from there.
How absolutely ridiculous. It wouldn’t get thru the Senate ever, and Obama would veto it if by some miracle it did, which it wouldn’t. You live in LaLaLand. Some people are just totally ignorant of how our political system actually works. Your way would work only if you wanted to disregard the existence of the other 2/3rd’s of gov’t, or if you wanted a dictatorship to force through your will. Sounds very much like some extreme commie/socialist/fascist dictators, such as Pelosi. I don’t want any Pelosi’s in my party, thank you.
What kind of idiotic question is that? First of all I said "mainly". Secondly, how hard could it have been to make provisions so that the military would continue to get paid?
This a capitulation. Boehner has given up and shown he will never use the only bullet he has - shutdown. In spite of what ‘promises’ he got, he got them from liars who will not deliver on them. There will be no vote in the senate on healthcare. All he got were ‘magic’ beans that won’t sprout.
abandoned cutting planned parenthood?
Sooo just keep using MY money to keep killing innocent unborn babies?
abandined cutting the EPA? Just keep letting the epa destroy Americas competitiveness?
Just keep letting the U.S. Gub mint spend far more money than they take in?
Yeah pal, boner has done a great f-ing job playing dem lite.
You have any idea the percentage of the gub mint will be cut? less than one pal.
Great job? get real.
Who cares about Planned Parenthood? You’re not looking at the Big Picture. It’s the debt, stupid!
No it's exactly what should have been done and maybe Ole John would have walked out of the deal with $100B in cuts who knows. When I go to a car lot. I see a vehicle I want and need. I ask the sticker price if it's not posted. Let's say it's a used van for $7500.00 sticker price. I tell the salesman $4500. He says no we have $7000.00 in it. I leave the lot.
I come back the next day and say $4900. He says no. I say OK. I got a few others I'm considering and are closer to what I want in price and less miles on them. I come in later in the week in a different vehicle I'm trying out on a test drive and say $5200. The salesman says hang on a couple of minutes. He comes back and says I can't $57.50 is our lowest number.
I go home and wait an hour or two. I call him and say I have a used vehicle {barely running & I need rid of anyway} and I have $5400 cash. He says bring it in. My starting price was $3000 below his on a used vehicle. His final price was $2100 below his starting price. I went on the lot with a $5500 budget to spend but I was not stupid enough to ever tell him how much I ever had or he would have tried to sell me an old Renault instead.
I didn't go on the lot thinking I was going to get the van for $4500 either. But had I started out at $5500 I would have been telling the salesman that guy likely has $6200 or more and will pay it.
So yes starting out far beyond what the goal is set at is just a smart thing to do. What the poster said makes perfect sense. He said "That means we should have started with $467 bn in cuts to the FY deficit budget RIGHT NOW and negotiated from there." and I agree we should have started there and kept going back to it for considerable time. That is not being ridiclous that is how bargaining works. Some of the GOP Jerk RINO's in the senate should have had the guts to join in too. Too many GOP in the senate are Closet Democrats including the two from state.
The lack of will to drive a hard bargain resulted in far less than even gaining 50% of the $100B cuts platform the GOP ran on. As for making demands and getting even a third of them met the GOP Congress is a pathetic failure and has been since late 1995 under the Eye Of Newt.
‘I said “mainly”’
The largest single group of unfunded folks were the military. Surely you didn’t think Obaba was going to classify his buddies as ‘non-essential’, did you.
‘Secondly, how hard could it have been to make provisions so that the military would continue to get paid?’
It would have been easy, but it was entirely up to the executive branch. Guess how Obama arranged for it to work?
‘BTW this was likely the GOP’s last chance for a hard stand on spending issues before the 2012 elections’
Except for the votes on raising the debt limit and on passing the 2012 budget. Also the vote on passing the 2013 budget is due before the presidential election.
GOP ain't gonna do squat budget cut wise in an election year. Not doing squat may well put them back in as the minority again. That's what got them put back there to start with under Bush. They never learn.
Congratulation on you short and very unsuccessful stint as Speaker of the House. You apparently were as good as we could get, but not as good as we will get.
I knew it once I saw the crying, the pink shirts and the fake tan.
Senate vote on healthcare and PP. I got some friends that would give you great odds and still bet you that you will lose the vote.
‘GOP ain’t gonna do squat budget cut wise in an election year’
An interesting viewpoint, and one that seems absolutely unique among commentaries about political activities this year.
‘GOP ain’t gonna do squat budget cut wise in an election year’
An interesting viewpoint, and one that seems absolutely unique among commentaries about political activities this year.
‘Senate vote on healthcare and PP. I got some friends that would give you great odds and still bet you that you will lose the vote’
Of course we will lose the vote, even if we didn’t Obamna would veto it. The point is that the Dems will have to cast what will be unpopular votes before the 2012 election. Serious change will not come while Obama is in office.
It is easy to sit a computer and opine when there are no consequences...especially for the people opining.
After reading some of the comments here, I'm thankful that FReepers are ONLY sitting at computers and not running anything!
I think the more important fight is the one coming on the 2012 budget.
BTW, a shutdown would not have affected my life one iota.
This. 1,000 times this.
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