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To: LouAvul
The problem lies in education. I've tried to reason with liberals and find that they believe just as passionately in their values as I do mine.

I think the cancer starts with teachers and media who feed liberal rubbish to people around the clock and those people are usually not inclined to dig a little deeper to educate themselves.

Thus, they accept what they are fed from what they consider to be a reliable source. The challenge for conservatives is how to break the cycle.

2 posted on 03/27/2011 7:49:09 AM PDT by Baynative (Truth is treason in an empire of lies)
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To: Baynative

I agree with your analysis and would add that many liberals have liberal parents and are unwilling to debate issues based on facts and reasoning.

They operate from an emotional level and that is good enough for them. So you really cannot debate with them on any issue. Bush was bad. So Republicans are bad. And Obama must be good because he’s not an evil Republican. That’s all they need to know and it is not worth their time digging any deeper into the subject.

Go over to DU and have a look. Mostly you will find foul language and name-calling. That’s what passes for analysis. Pretty much code-word based: bad words are Palin, Bush, Cheney, Corporations, War on Terror, Wall Street, Tea Party, Birther, Racist ... you get the idea.


4 posted on 03/27/2011 7:56:13 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Baynative
I think the cancer starts with teachers and media who feed liberal rubbish to people around the clock...

I think they are born that way.

If teachers and the media have that much influence on kids, it doesn't say much for the influence of parents.

Interestingly--

Michael Reagan, adopted, was raised in the home of Jane Wyman.

Ronnie, Jr. was raised in the home of Ronald Reagan.

I go with they are born that way. LOL!

BTW, regardless of where kids get their "formal" education, they should be home schooled.

18 posted on 03/27/2011 8:19:33 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Baynative

It is a process starting in 1930’s. The sexual revolution was not an accident....as FDR said, nothing in politics is an accident. They use Pavlov and Skinner to actually change the structure of the brain.

Eakman in Cloning of the American Mind explains the methodologies that are using psychology to change their values and thinking....most comes from Cognitive Dissonance which makes it nearly impossible to process information once you have been imbued with this. It ruins your thinking.

Political Correctness is cultural Marxism....it was started as a process to create cognitive dissonance and condition people into group think.

They become VERY UNCOMFORTABLE in going against group think (Maxist ideology)...some can never do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDDBZuheQxs


28 posted on 03/27/2011 8:44:46 AM PDT by savagesusie
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To: Baynative; LouAvul
The problem lies in education. I've tried to reason with liberals and find that they believe just as passionately in their values as I do mine.

I think the cancer starts with teachers and media who feed liberal rubbish to people around the clock and those people are usually not inclined to dig a little deeper to educate themselves.

Thus, they accept what they are fed from what they consider to be a reliable source. The challenge for conservatives is how to break the cycle.
That's it in a nutshell. It's devilishly difficult to argue someone out of a position that they weren't argued into.
I had the occasion to defend conservatism once from two liberals - but I was amazed at how easily I allowed myself to be placed on the defensive when they challenged, "You probably think journalism isn't objective."

I made the blunder of giving examples of provable bias - and they just didn't want to hear it.

The correct response is, of course, to point out that the only way to attempt to be objective is to be open about any and all reasons why you might be tempted not to be objective. But doing that is the precise opposite of claiming to be objective.

Thus, we know that anyone who claims objectivity - or who fails to dissociate himself from any implication that his objectivity is to be taken for granted - isn't even trying to actually be objective.

Force a "liberal" to admit that that is precisely the standard they would apply to you, if you were the one claiming objectivity, and at least they would have to know that they cannot be open to facts and logic without surrendering their precious worldview.


44 posted on 03/27/2011 9:29:49 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: Baynative; All

Ronald Reagan had this one NAILED, IMHO.

“the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.”

As Baynative notes, “the cancer starts with teachers and media who feed liberal rubbish to people around the clock.”, and this feeds in to their sense of moral superiority. They just KNOW they are right about everything.

FACTS don’t enter in the equation because, well, they just “Care” so much, and dammit, they just COULDN’T be wrong...


53 posted on 03/27/2011 9:54:29 AM PDT by tcrlaf (2012 Slogan: "You'd Have To Be Insane, To Vote For Hussein!")
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