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To: Baynative; LouAvul
The problem lies in education. I've tried to reason with liberals and find that they believe just as passionately in their values as I do mine.

I think the cancer starts with teachers and media who feed liberal rubbish to people around the clock and those people are usually not inclined to dig a little deeper to educate themselves.

Thus, they accept what they are fed from what they consider to be a reliable source. The challenge for conservatives is how to break the cycle.
That's it in a nutshell. It's devilishly difficult to argue someone out of a position that they weren't argued into.
I had the occasion to defend conservatism once from two liberals - but I was amazed at how easily I allowed myself to be placed on the defensive when they challenged, "You probably think journalism isn't objective."

I made the blunder of giving examples of provable bias - and they just didn't want to hear it.

The correct response is, of course, to point out that the only way to attempt to be objective is to be open about any and all reasons why you might be tempted not to be objective. But doing that is the precise opposite of claiming to be objective.

Thus, we know that anyone who claims objectivity - or who fails to dissociate himself from any implication that his objectivity is to be taken for granted - isn't even trying to actually be objective.

Force a "liberal" to admit that that is precisely the standard they would apply to you, if you were the one claiming objectivity, and at least they would have to know that they cannot be open to facts and logic without surrendering their precious worldview.


44 posted on 03/27/2011 9:29:49 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
"I made the blunder of giving examples of provable bias - and they just didn't want to hear it."

Provable or not liberals know they are right, as you said. They do not mind bending rules, skirting laws, or even tampering with elections (as we all have seen) because they believe that any means justifies their end game of everyone somehow being the same. Thus, they simply cannot be argued with.

This is borne out by watching Hannity or O'Reilly any night of the week. No matter how badly they are out argued, they will just talk louder and longer than anyone else in order to prohibit them from making a point. It is somewhat like seeing a child stick their fingers in their ears and yell, "nah, nah, nah nah, nah".

I have found that sometimes I can break through their protective barrier by telling them that I, too, used to be a liberal. Then, I address their point by saying, "You know, I used to think like that too. But, here's what altered my thinking over the years ..."

I know the argument can never really be won But, my objective is to give them something tangible to think about after the fact.

72 posted on 03/27/2011 3:46:08 PM PDT by Baynative (Truth is treason in an empire of lies)
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