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Scott Orders State Workers Drug Testing
The Ledger via AP ^ | Tuesday, March 22, 2011 at 9:23 p.m. | BILL KACZOR

Posted on 03/23/2011 3:46:23 PM PDT by sarasmom

Florida Gov. Rick Scott ordered drug testing Tuesday of new hires and spot checks of existing state employees under him, but civil rights and labor lawyers questioned whether the directive was legal.

(Excerpt) Read more at theledger.com ...


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To: sarasmom
but labor lawyers questioned whether the directive was legal.

Yet every lowly Home Depot employee and Walmart greeter is drug tested...

What a sad joke...

41 posted on 03/23/2011 4:42:39 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: mylife

I was tested when I played sports in college- and that was in 1989-1992!


42 posted on 03/23/2011 4:44:04 PM PDT by rintense (The GOP elite & friends can pound sand.)
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To: napscoordinator
Wow. You are a radical for sure. I have never heard of this. So the entire military are traitors.....news to me.

As I said before, once you are in the military your constitutional rights are suspended. As far as me being radical, either you believe in the rule of law or you do not.

I tend to lean libertarian because the modern conservative cares very little about the rule of law or preserving the Constitution. They just want what they want, and do not care how they get it, just like liberals.

Modern liberals and conservatives are both threats to the rule of law and to our Constitutional rights.
43 posted on 03/23/2011 4:44:11 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Little Pharma; admin

Can someone explain how this troll has lasted this long?

Look at his posting history. It’s an encyclopedia of leftwing talking points.

Says Muslims are no different than Christians. (CoExist thread)

-His ideas for Tea Party sign in WI
“Contracts should only be honored when it means giving millions in bonuses to CEO’s who have driven a government bailed out bank into the ground. Not for common workers!!!!”

-On man who refused to take down Cross
Founder of “Attention Whores for Jesus”. What an arse.

-On AZ Senate race
Sympathy votes will likely give this seat to Rep Giffords. I’d be surprised if the National Party even puts any money into this race.

-On Clarence Thomas ruling on Obamacare
She has set up a lobbying business and PAC that is trying to repeal the health care law. If this was a liberal judge and his wife was being paid as a lobbyist to have legislation overturned, I’m certain that we would not have a problem with it.
Thomas should step away...

-On Obama not producing any school records etc
I’m holding my copy of the Constitution right now and am eager to have you tell me where I’m to turn to find a mandate for a candidate for any office to reveal his or her SAT or LSAT score, or any of the other crap that you are demanding access to. You’re not seeking to defend a nation, your freakishly obsessing over a man. Seek therapy.

-Palin responsible for gun violence
Ever seen the photos of Sarah shooting an automatic weapon, or the film footage of her shooting the caribou? You are never going to see another MSM news report concerning Palin that will not be accompanied by those images. As of yesterday, Palin is the face of politically motivated gun violence. My prediction.

-Trying to say the AZ shooter is not a liberal
I went to this site when I saw the info here on FR this morning. It may also be anti-semitic, but it is largely anti-immigrant, anti-liberal, pro-white.


44 posted on 03/23/2011 4:44:28 PM PDT by nhwingut (Palin '12... Accept No Other)
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To: Minn

Question - does drug use affect quality of work?

School I use to work for hired a contractor (lowest bidder, of course) to replace all light fixtures in the entire district with “ultra high-efficiency florescent” fixtures. Well - that summer, while the crew was “on site”, I was on campus one evening about 7PM and found this crew all gathered up in the high school gymnasium all getting stoked up on pot.

Imagine the “surprise” when all those “great” lights installed began failing within months of the crew leaving. EVerything from fixtures that had been basically torn up to install them, to wiring that was done completely wrong... It was a nightmare for the maintenance department. When the school tried to hold the contractor responsible - they couldn’t be found. Again - imagine that.

Did the pot have anything to do with it?.... You tell me.


45 posted on 03/23/2011 4:48:16 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: napscoordinator
Thanks....as I continued reading I understood that you exempt them.

Thank you for your service. The US Military is about the only part of the Federal Government left that is not completely out of control. I never served, but I did work for the Navy for 13 years which gave me a profound respect for the sacrifices you guys make.
46 posted on 03/23/2011 4:50:04 PM PDT by microgood
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To: nhwingut

Maybe there are conservatives who can think for themselves and don’t feel the need to belong to the clique of the lowest common denominator! Try thinking for yourself, it’s liberating.


47 posted on 03/23/2011 4:51:06 PM PDT by Little Pharma
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To: SatinDoll
Yes, it is legal. Many workplaces do so.

On a side note, I believe that employment-based drug testing has done more to mitigate drug use in this country than any criminal law ever did.

48 posted on 03/23/2011 4:52:34 PM PDT by Gena Bukin
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To: sarasmom

Drug testing has become mandatory before you are ever hired almost every place. So what’s the big deal with requiring this? Unless all union workers are dopers...


49 posted on 03/23/2011 4:55:01 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Gena Bukin

I got a job once because of drug testing.

The company’s first choice had already hired onto another job and so they brought in their second choice. He flunked the drug test, not once but twice!

By this point enough time had gone by that they desperately asked me, the only person still available but at the bottom of the list, to hire on.

They never regretted hiring me. At the end of 6 months I was offered a substantial pay raise and a promotion.


50 posted on 03/23/2011 5:01:06 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: Little Pharma
Maybe there are conservatives who can think for themselves and don’t feel the need to belong to the clique of the lowest common denominator! Try thinking for yourself, it’s liberating.

Unfortunately, the common denominator is conservatism. And every argument you make seems to echo that of a leftwing tool.
51 posted on 03/23/2011 5:01:32 PM PDT by nhwingut (Palin '12... Accept No Other)
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To: microgood

I agree completely, but being as things are as they are, I feel others should be as humiliated and inconvenienced. Perhaps it will incite to rebel.


52 posted on 03/23/2011 5:01:42 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
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To: TheBattman
Question - does drug use affect quality of work?

School I use to work for hired a contractor (lowest bidder, of course) to replace all light fixtures in the entire district with “ultra high-efficiency florescent” fixtures. Well - that summer, while the crew was “on site”, I was on campus one evening about 7PM and found this crew all gathered up in the high school gymnasium all getting stoked up on pot.

Imagine the “surprise” when all those “great” lights installed began failing within months of the crew leaving. EVerything from fixtures that had been basically torn up to install them, to wiring that was done completely wrong... It was a nightmare for the maintenance department. When the school tried to hold the contractor responsible - they couldn’t be found. Again - imagine that.

Did the pot have anything to do with it?.... You tell me.

Big difference between smoking pot on the job and off, no? Was a drug test necessary to assess the situation you describe, or was on the job behavior all you needed? A lit joint in somebody's hand while on the job tells you a whole lot more about their worth as a worker than metoblites in their urine, that may be six weeks old, doesn't it?

If that same crew had instead shared their joint the previous Friday at home, do you think pot would have had anything to do with the poor work any more than if they had shared a few beers?.... You tell me.

And since the contracting firm couldn't be located after the job was done, do you suppose there was more at work effecting the quality of their workers than pot?

53 posted on 03/23/2011 5:11:58 PM PDT by Minn
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To: blackdog
Sooner for them if they know they can upgrade from the Dodge Durango to an Escalade by showing up for work.

Naw, we don't WANT them showing up!

54 posted on 03/23/2011 5:13:07 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: Little Pharma

Your “common denominator” is one.

You are the only “conservative” I know who wants Clarence Thomas removed from ruling on Obamacare. That’s about as far left as you can get. It’s a DUmmie/KOS talking point.


55 posted on 03/23/2011 5:30:03 PM PDT by nhwingut (Palin '12... Accept No Other)
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To: nhwingut

No every argument I make is based in the premise that all of the rules apply equally to everybody and individuals are responsible for themselves. Many here seem to think that there is a club called to conservatism and its members and adherents should be held to a lesser standard.

I believe Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and atheists should all be held responsible for their own behaviour equally, no group or individual gets a pass or leniency.

I believe CEOs and Union members are bound by the elements of contract and they should be equally required to satisfy the points of their contract. CEOs are not superior or inferior to the guy on the factory floor.

I believe there is a difference between bashing liberals and promoting conservativism. Some think that snarky comments about Michele Obama or any other liberal d’jour is productive. I think that rude is rude, and rude tends to turn off the independents who are needed to win elections. Conservative arguments stand on their own without impolite dialogue. Being nasty might make you feel better but change will only come from victory at the polls and that comes from encouraging others to vote for our side. They won’t do that if they think we are jerks (see how successful it has been when lib gays throw condoms at priests during mass or when Code Pink smear blood on opponents).

And to the point of this thread, I beleive that if it is a good idea to drug test the guy who is cutting the grass at the Statehouse it is equally useful to drug test the man or woman who is making law and policy in the Statehouse.

If that is not conservatism, based on equal treatment as defined by the US Constitution, then you’re right, I’m in the wrong place. But thinking conservatives agree with me.


56 posted on 03/23/2011 5:35:31 PM PDT by Little Pharma
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To: sarasmom

This should benefit law enforcement in that it will assist the state in expanding its DNA database.


57 posted on 03/23/2011 5:38:09 PM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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To: Little Pharma

“Some think that snarky comments about Michele Obama or any other liberal d’jour is productive. I think that rude is rude,...”

Yet you have no problem being snarky about Sarah Palin. Just yesterday you were making the point that the likes of David Letterman and Tina Fey wanted her to run because they thought it would win the election for the 0ne.

Snark about Michele 0bama is bad but snark about Palin is OK - is that your take on things? Yes or no?


58 posted on 03/23/2011 5:46:02 PM PDT by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: Little Pharma

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/gop/2693004/posts?page=13#13


59 posted on 03/23/2011 5:49:33 PM PDT by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: Walts Ice Pick
This should benefit law enforcement in that it will assist the state in expanding its DNA database.

Actually that may not be the case. It may actually cause quite a bit of harm to all of us. Unlike a DNA test (in which the possibility of a false positive is in the millions to one), the odds of a false positive in the DNA database is about 1000 - 10000 to 1.

The reason is that for many crimes they do not find a complete DNA sequence so you have a partial piece of DNA that will match on many more people.

They have been finding matches in crime cases where the person has never been to that state and could have not possibly done the crime because of their storage of partial sequences. With all 300 million of us in the database, it could actually have them chasing down lots of false positives.
60 posted on 03/23/2011 6:00:03 PM PDT by microgood
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