A man with this many wives knew nothing of honor.
Posted on 03/02/2011 1:02:29 PM PST by T Minus Four
Ethan Miller/Getty Images It was reported yesterday that BYU starting center Brandon Davies was let go from the team for the remainder of the season for violating Brigham Young's honor code.
Today, 1280 The Zone in Salt Lake City is reporting that Davies' girlfriend is pregnant with his child. The honor code does not allow sexual relationships unless you are married, among a hefty list of other rules.
Davies is averaging 11.1 points per game and a team-high 6.2 rebounds, and not having him available for the NCAA tournament will be a major issue for Mr. Fredette and the Cougars.
If and when they meet up with a big-six conference powerhouse, they will need everything they have down low to bang against the other teams' centers.
BYU's backup centers have not played many meaningful minutes this season and expecting them to do so this late into the season is asking a little too much.
Their sophomore forward, Stephen Rogers, is averaging 4.4 points and 2.3 rebounds in an average of 10 minutes per game. The Cougars' freshman 6'10'' forward/center James Anderson is averaging one point and one-and-a-half rebounds per game in seven minutes of action.
A plan to go with a smaller lineup and to speed their game up more than usual is what BYU is planning on doing with the Davies absence, according to unnamed sources.
Getting away with not having your starting center might fly against the lower seeds, but this all but guarantees they are not going to be able to make a run as deep as many experts have been predicting.
This will also affect their potential seeding in the big dance. As of now they are a projected No. 1 seed, but without one of their key players, the Cougars may fall as low as a No. 3 seed, making the road to the Final Four that much more difficult
A man with this many wives knew nothing of honor.
Would Joe Smith have gotten kicked out of BYU?
Brigham Young was even worse than Joseph Smith when it came to adultery.
But on the other hand, 21 had never been married before; 16 were widows; six were divorced; six had living husbands; and the marital status of six others are unknown.
He fathered 56 children with 16 of the ladies.
and BYU has a lot of rules.
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Good for BYU for having moral standards and enforcing them!
I surely would like to see our CINO ( Christian In Name Only) private colleges and universities have some standards and enforce them.
Dittos on the rules. BYU has every right to hold its players to the code they espouse. Kudos to them for doing so!
What does that have to do with this story?
Sounds to me like if this center's girlfriend had just run thru the proper permission "OKs"...the regional abortionist...and the Mormon god...
Nobody would have been the "wiser"...and the BYU alumni would have been happier!
So. The question is...and it's not an easy question -- 'cause it's been debated about before re: Christian college policies...do such policies encourage abortion???
Certainly the Mormon church abortion polity/policy encourages more "escape loops" than a lot of Christian policies...
Or WWBYD? (What would Brigham Young Do?)
Or WWJTD? (What would John Taylor do?)
Or WWWWD? (What would Wilford Woodruff do?)
Or WWJFSD? (What would Joseph F. Smith do?)
Who are these men? Why they are first five "prophets" of the LDS church.
Do Mormons really think that the first Lds "prophets" who had 119 "wives" between them -- an average of about 24 per...would boot Davis for his pregnant "concubine?"
I mean, the Mormon hypocrisy runs wild.
"Fifth LDS Church leader Joseph F. Smith married at 20 and then married five others later. His first wife divorced him on the grounds of "adulterous intercourse" with his "concubines."
Source Mormon Polygamy Frequently Asked Questions
(Sounds to me like the guy who lied openly before the Senate in the Smoot hearings in 1904 would have been kicked off the first BYU Academy sports team!)
As for the first four Lds "prophets":
* Fourth LDS Church leader Wilford Woodruff had at least 10 plural wives. According to his record, he was also sealed to 336 dead single women.
(Again, nothing like Mormon's e-haremny.com for matching live lds "prophets" with dead corpses!)
* Church founder Joseph Smith had at least 33 wives. One was 14. Five others were 17 or under. He married five pairs of sisters. Two of which were his own adopted daughters. After his death, another 335 women were sealed to him, many of whom he did not know. (Religion and Sexuality, p 156)
(Ah, y'all didn't know that the Family Resource Centers the Mormons put out there could be used genealogically as a e-haremny.com match-making service to match up live women with those ineligible batchelors in the after-life!)
* Second LDS Church leader Brigham Young had 55 wives. Ten of them divorced him. At his death, Brigham Young's oldest child was 52 and his youngest was 7.
* Third LDS Church leader John Taylor had 15 wives. Three wives divorced him. (A Book of Mormons, 1982, pg 354)
(Tell us again how if three wives couldn't "sustain" Taylor as a "husband" how grassroots Mormons were supposed to "sustain" him as their great moral leader?)
Because they kicked him out? Because they won't get the tv exposure? Won't make it as far in the tourney?
How silly. I hope boosters stop giving the university money, obviously they aren’t serious about winning.
Ah, winning. Might be past tense. BYU just lost last night AT HOME 82-64 to New Mexico. Not only that but you had BYU player attitudes last night of the elite Jimmer scolding referees (as if that was his job) + other players kicking chairs on the bench:
From the Provo Herald: His short-term replacement, James Anderson, had four points, three blocks and three fouls in 11 minutes. As nice as he is, he doesn’t seem to be an answer. Davies, who had been averaging about 31 minutes over the past five games, ended up being replaced by a group of smaller players in various combinations. Davies finished the season averaging 11 points and six rebounds. After achieving the highest school ranking since 1988, No. 3 on Monday, the first game since the achievement was a dud, full of sagging heads and missed shots. Even Jackson Emery reacted, upon picking up a second-half foul, kicking a chair at the team bench. And there was Jimmer Fredette’s sour scowl, often holding the three-man referee crew in contempt. Source: Provo Herald No. 3 BYU can't overcome distractions, falls to New Mexico, 82-64
George Washington had slaves. What’s your point?
First, I was applying apples to apples -- one sexual ethic to another.
Certainly your point is relevant 'cause at least we're still talking fruit to fruit (the same general category of relational ethics)...But my point was more specific...BOTH dealt very specifically with sexual ethics. If BYU is setting up one standard for sexual ethics, then certainly that's a major departure from how their original five founding "prophets" acted.
Now if you hear about a basketball player being kicked off a team for violating its "own no slave" or "don't exploit others' labor" policy, you be sure to weigh in with that parallel example.
Amen!
You can’t condemn an organization which has risen above the
skewed ways of it’s founders.
“...obviously they aren’t serious about winning.”
Winning, no. Scoring, yes!
Grove City College also does not accept Federal dollars.
Who says they've risen above polygamy?
(That's your historical & theological presumptions about the Mormon church).
Let's telescope Mormon positions on polygamy, shall we?
1890-1910: LDS leaders solemnized at least 260+ known plural marriages in the post-manifesto years when the church was pretending to be 100% against polygamy (source: Hardy, A Solemn Covenant, 1992)...
...most of these were solemnized by either "apostles" like Taylor & Cowley (later ex-communicated)...
...or by Ivins in Mexico, who was rewarded for this & made a general authority in the early 1900s...
...or by others who became general authorities after solemnizing such plural marriage vows. [How long ago did these polygamists live? According to Hardy, some of these plural unions were still around in the early 1960s...]
Early-to-mid 1960s: Hardy cites an early 1960s poll taken of mainstream Mormons: 40% say they would engage in polygamy if told to by their "prophet." Then, LDS "apostle" Bruce McConkie’s book, Mormon Doctrine says that polygamy will return to the Saints before Jesus returns. (see pp. 577-579 of 1966 edition, which was approved by the LDS First Presidency…unlike the initial late 1950s version which was not)
(Well, that's interesting...could be Mormon polygamy might be right 'round the corner, eh?)
1998 LDS “Church Handbook of Instructions” for LDS: “A deceased woman may be sealed to ALL men to whom she was legally married during her life.”
Source: FR poster Paridel @ http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2004551/posts?q=1&;page=283 (Definition of "sealed” in this case = sealed for all eternity to her multiple husbands, making her a polyandrous woman) [This sounds contemporary doesn’t it, RT? If the LDS Church did not want this proxy sealing practice being done in its temples, it has total authoritative ‘say-so’—as it does in shutting the door on proxy baptisms in the cases of Jewish Holocaust victims]
Also current practice:: The LDS Church, as mentioned above, still allows a husband to be sealed in its temple to multiple wives (but only one "on this earth" wife at a time). If the Mormon church was serious about "eradicating" future polygamy, it would ban the temple ritual for eternal sealings for a second wife. It doesn't. It views itself as the polygamous “feeder system” for eternal life family life.
Therefore, Mormons not only believe those five found "prophets" I referenced are practicing polygamy on another colony they call Kolob, but at least two of the current Lds general authorities were sealed to more than one wife for eternity. If the Mormon afterlife as depicted is what occurs, they haven't "risen above" anything. When they die, they head off to a colony of eternal polygamists!
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