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Taliban Gun Lockers: The Rifles of Rural Ghazni Province
NYT At War Blog ^ | January 31, 2011 | C.J. Chivers

Posted on 02/01/2011 3:53:09 PM PST by Pan_Yan


Manufacturer’s markings on a Lee-Enfield rifle, supposedly assembled by the British Small Arms Company, captured by American soldiers in eastern Ghazni Province on Dec. 24.

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We’re working on a story about Taliban organization and tactics in this patch of countryside. But when we arrived, we found that the task force’s intelligence section and its commanding officer, Lt. Col. David G. Fivecoat, had been reading the At War blog, and had assembled data and set aside recently captured weapons for the blog’s readers. Their advance work allows us to update our Taliban Gun Locker post and present a local look at how a complex but financially limited insurgency equips itself to fight materially superior American and Afghan units.

First, the numbers: Between Nov. 27, 2010, and Jan. 20, 2011, the battalion captured 43 rifles, two PK machine guns, two RPK squad machine guns, 6 rocket-propelled grenade launchers, a shotgun, three pistols and an 82-millimeter mortar system. Of the rifles, 37 were Kalashnikov assault rifles of mixed vintage and varied provenance, five were Lee-Enfield bolt-action rifles and one was an SKS. This was a familiar mix for the current Afghan war. Most of the equipment was superficially in disrepair, but otherwise functional, although one of the Lee-Enfield rifles had a loose, freely moving stock and was in no condition for accurate shooting.

Within the assortment, two of these rifles were particularly eye-catching: a pair of apparent Short Magazine Lee Enfields, known among those who follow firearms evolution as S.M.L.E.’s, that were captured by the battalion’s B Company during a village sweep on Dec. 24. (I say apparent for a reason; more on that in a moment.)

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Notice the size difference of a folding-stock AK-47 and a Lee-Enfield rifle.

(Excerpt) Read more at atwar.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; banglist; taliban
First article in the series:
What’s Inside a Taliban Gun Locker? (old bolt actions and beatup AKs)

Second article in series:
One Way to Retire an Old Rifle

1 posted on 02/01/2011 3:53:16 PM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: dynachrome

Ping.


2 posted on 02/01/2011 3:55:12 PM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan; Viking2002

Thanks for the ping.

Cool old rifles. (Just picked up a 1940 Turk mauser based on a Gew88, myself)


3 posted on 02/01/2011 4:02:19 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Pan_Yan

Interesting read. Thanks for the post.


4 posted on 02/01/2011 4:09:31 PM PST by exnavy (May the Lord grant our troops protection and endurance.)
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To: Pan_Yan

Not bad taste...with good ammo, I wouldn’t feel bad taking the Lee-Enfield to war.


5 posted on 02/01/2011 4:11:11 PM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: GenXteacher

I’ll take the Mosin!Cheaper ammo!


6 posted on 02/01/2011 4:20:38 PM PST by Renegade
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To: exnavy

I got the author’s book about the history of the AK-47 a few months ago. It was pretty good. I’ve been watching for his articles ever since. He has an interesting series about what American officers are reading in Afghanistan. I posed a couple but no one read them so I stopped bothering.


7 posted on 02/01/2011 4:33:12 PM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

In WWI the Brits used to say:

“The Germans took a hunting rifle to war. The Americans took a target rifle. But the Brits took a battle rifle!”

They were proud of their smellies.


8 posted on 02/01/2011 4:33:55 PM PST by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: Viking2002

I think you want this thread, it’s a bit newer.

:)


9 posted on 02/01/2011 4:35:01 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Renegade
'I’ll take the Mosin! Cheaper ammo!'

Good man!

"But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: for men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away, for his name is Obama."

10 posted on 02/01/2011 4:35:28 PM PST by Viking2002 (RELEASE THE KRAKEN!!!!!!)
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To: Renegade

True about the ammo. But I like the Lee-Enfield’s quick action and higher mag capacity (10 v. 5) I wouldn’t take my Mosin to war, though. The magazine catch lets loose every time I shoot, and dumps the ammo on the ground....


11 posted on 02/01/2011 4:35:35 PM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: Renegade

M & M’s

Mosins and Mausers!


12 posted on 02/01/2011 4:36:17 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: dynachrome
Ha - just figgered that out, myself. LOL

"But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: for men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away, for his name is Obama."

13 posted on 02/01/2011 4:36:23 PM PST by Viking2002 (RELEASE THE KRAKEN!!!!!!)
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To: Pan_Yan

I would rather have that .303 than an M4 at 600yds.


14 posted on 02/01/2011 4:53:22 PM PST by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: GenXteacher

Never had that problem .I REALLY like the Carbine.


15 posted on 02/01/2011 5:26:08 PM PST by Renegade
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To: Pan_Yan

Can I get a witness for a Krag on this thread?


16 posted on 02/01/2011 5:49:26 PM PST by SnuffaBolshevik
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To: Renegade

I almost bought one of those....I’m told the Polish ones are the best of the lot.


17 posted on 02/02/2011 4:28:34 PM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: GenXteacher

I have the Russian.Carbines seem to be harder to find and are a lot easier to carry .


18 posted on 02/02/2011 5:33:40 PM PST by Renegade
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