Valid conclusion.
Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.
Posted on 01/23/2011 1:23:14 PM PST by The Comedian
How many reasons can there be for Hussein, or Barry, or whatever his name is, to cloak his documentation? What are the scenarios? What would be the repercussions of those scenarios?
Maybe Obama thinks that the issue is a good one for him. So long as Boehner and Issa act impotent, why should Obama let them off the hook by producing anything?
Good to see ya!
>>And why should have any of them cared then?<<
Every one of those cowards swore to protect our Constitution and our Country that’s why. To allow an ineligible half breed to sit in the White House as President of the greatest nation on Earth is a crime. That’s why.
Hawaii’s DOH wouldn’t have an item that directly proves that he was born somewhere else, unless he had a Certificate of Foreign Birth. The HDOH has claimed to me that they don’t even have an index to the Certificates of Foreign Birth, which is very strange.
The more likely reason that they would have any records for Obama is if there was an attempt to convince the HDOH that Obama WAS born in Hawaii. In which case the thing that would be incriminating would be indirect things such as there being no birth weight on the birth certificate because no Hawaii doctor had examined the baby in the first 30 days.
Hawaii’s laws allow for new birth certificates to be created for the “embarrassing” situations. For Obama to have a record under the name of Barack Hussein Obama II, he had to have either had BHO Sr acknowledge paternity, been born to SAD while she was married to BHO Sr, or been adopted by BHO Sr. In all of those cases, BHO Sr would be listed as the father on the BC that the HDOH has access to.
The HDOH claims not to have received any judicial order allowing access to sealed records for BHO, so what they claim to have in their office right now is whatever is legally binding right now, and it is under the name of Obama. So if there was a different biological father listed at some time that is hidden in an original, sealed BC that the HDOH can’t access or talk about.
So if it’s a paternity issue it would have to be that paternity was changed from Obama to somebody else somewhere down the line without changing the last name, which can only be done through an acknowledgment of paternity or through court action. Such a change would result in a new birth certificate also.
The HDOH has indirectly confirmed that Obama’s BC was amended in 2006 - a major amendment which he had to pay a fee to accomplish so it wasn’t just a typo by a hospital or something. An amended BC is not legally probative so amending it is about like tearing it up and throwing it away - not something he should have done in 2006 for frivolous reasons. Considering that the “embarrassing” situations would result in a new BC rather than an amended one (so that the legal probative value remains intact) the only reason I can think of for a person to amend a BC 45 years after the birth is if the BC was already legally invalid because it was late/incomplete.
And the responses the HDOH and OIP have given strongly suggest that was the case. I believe he needed to add a birth weight. And that begs the question of why the family went to the trouble of filing a birth certificate but didn’t bother to have a HI doctor examine the baby so the BC could be completed.
If the BC was not complete until 2006 it would also mean that he’s been using a non-HI BC his entire life, which would also explain why he doesn’t want ANY of his records (such as educational records) disclosed. And why he posted what the HDOH has indirectly confirmed in 2 different ways as a forgery.
You mentioned the monetary value of somebody being willing to expose the incriminating documents. Money only matters if you’re alive to spend it. And the people who would have been willing to pay money are the same people who refused to file any lawsuit. And in McCain’s case, he even forbade his VP candidate from speaking about the issue. Both Hillary and McCain were unwilling to provide a legal avenue for such a revelation to make any difference. And without that legal avenue a disclosure wouldn’t make any difference anyway. It would be called a forgery.
Remember that Tim Adams has already said that the Elections Office all claimed it was common knowledge that Obama had no valid Hawaii BC. Nothing came of that revelation because there was no legal avenue for it to make any difference.
It sounds like you’ve been pondering the evidence regarding this situation so you know how troubling and confusing it all is and how much time and energy has gone into various people trying to make sense of the discrepancies, and also are realizing that Hawaii’s government has not been entirely honest with us.
I think we all know it shouldn’t have to be like this. It shouldn’t be so stinkin’ hard to figure out where the POTUS was truly born, to whom, and when - all of which may factor into whether he’s even eligible to be the POTUS.
I think the thing we should ALL be able to agree on is that this system is ridiculous, if we have no way of finding out whether or not a candidate for POTUS or VP is actually eligible for the job. I’m encouraging everybody from all different angles - regardless of what they think is actually on any BC, if any - to encourage their state legislators to pass a bill that would prevent this mess from ever happening again, including in 2012.
The bill that I think would accomplish that can be seen at http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/final-short-form-eligibility-bill1.pdf . I appreciate your open grappling with the issue and willingness to consider all sides, and I hope that you’ll look at that bill if you have time and will consider supporting that wherever you are.
I’ve spent over a year of my life - a year of being somewhat absent from my 4 kids’ lives - because I believe the Constitution and rule of law matter, and that I can’t offer my kids a decent earthly future without those things. I’m tired of this epic battle. I feel like Samwise Gamgee in “Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King” when he saw how the ring was consuming Frodo and lifted Frodo to carry him to the Crack of Doom, saying, “Then let’s be rid of it!”
We are so close to being able to require answers and legal accountability, not only for today but also for the future. We need one state to enact one law. If we all renew our energy we can get this done and then we can move on knowing the Constitution and rule of law have been honored and will be honored in the future. We can at least go partially back to watchfully living in the Shire.
Nobody wants that more than those who have struggled through every up and down of this battle - regardless of which “side” we’ve been on. Those who have ridiculed the “birthers” and are sick of this whole thing - join with us in making this go away. Pass the bill and be done with it.
I am on your side B4.
When I get to screaming and waving my arms (not saying you are, but man do I ever) please remember that.
;-)
I know our goal is the same, Fred. Maybe another prayer is what’s needed.
Valid conclusion.
Bump
This is Post#95 minus one sentence I should not have said publicly.
To:goseminoles
>>Who cares?<<
I care that’s who. Hundred of other FReepers care. We care about American citizens, our neighbors, fellow veterans, fellow workers. We aren’t all politicians, practiced liars like McCain and Zero and YOU!
Reading about FReepers who are broke after having lost their jobs is painful. I know one FReeper personally, who will remain unnamed, who is losing her house because her husband has had difficulties staying employed.
You have succeeded where many fail. You piss me off.
1)The BC might not exist.
2)It exists in Kenya, or used to be there before it was destroyed or hidden.Or he was born in a hut like the one brother George lives in and huts don’t issue BCs.
3)It may only be the Live Certificate of Birth that foreign born children could be given by the state of Hawaii until the early 1970s
4)It may have info on it that Hussein never wants out, and not just the country of birth. If he was born on US soil, there could be some really bad info on a BC about his screwed up egg and sperm donors. (example, Obama Senior was not the father and Jr’s whole made up life story is a lie. Or his father is Frank Marshall Davis communist).
5)He was and might still be an Indonesian citizen.
6)His supposed father was a British Subject.
7)He did not register for the military. He probably didn’t do this because he is foreign and had applied as such to so many schools. Then when parading as a citizen running for office, he was found to have not registered.
8)He admitted in 2004 at the Keyes debate that he is Kenyan born and since he was only running for senate he quipped to Keyes “I’m not running for president!”.
9)He did not quarrel with “Kenyan Born Obama Wins Illinois Senate Seat” AP story. He used his Kenyan homeland to win votes in Illinois.
10)It lists him with the name Barry Soetoro. Which is why a second swearing in was needed and why Judge Roberts intentionally flubbed the swearing in, so they could do it again out of public view without arousing the suspicions of the Sheeple(who by the way don’t even know there are requirements to be POTUS or that a second swearing in was highly unusual).
11) It lists him as muslim
He is Hell spawn, like in The Omen..
Reptilian Man 
LOL!!! I thought I had a big cat..
Can a president be a dual citizen?
Not much. Ready for some R&R after traveling and a rotation of house guests.
No, but evidently if one is the right skin color and a democrat, you get a pass on that part of the Constitution.
“It contains information that could embarrass Obama.”
Thanks for replying. I guess it all depends on how one defines “embarrass”. He may feel that if revealed the information would embarrass him, but it’s more likely that it would embarrass, if not humiliate, the country (i.e., what is an embarrassment to Obama would be a constitutional crisis for us). As usual, it’s all about him.
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