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I'm tired of hearing some people, even from FR say that we need to "rise above the fray"!
Saturday January 22, 2011

Posted on 01/22/2011 10:24:53 AM PST by Bigtigermike

I'm sick and tire some on our side buying into the myth that if we just "rise above the fray" from attacks that are scurrilous and baseless that we will somehow win the arguments against us! That's pure bull!

We are playing right into the hands of the MSM and liberals when we act civil and honorable "according to their rules of acting civil and honorable" which is to shut up and sit down about conservatism and not fight back. The only kind of people that the left and MSM consider honorable are people like Bob Dole and John McCain both of whom lost by not fighting.

Speaking of McCain, notice how 'civil' he was in 2008 "[Senator Obama] is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared about as President of the United States,". There's a difference between rhetoric and record, but you can still be respectful," McCain said to one questioner. "I will point out his record and I will do it with respect."

Did Obama act respectful and civil? Linking President Bush and Senator John McCain as partners in “the failed policies” of the past seven years and criticizing them for “hypocrisy, fear peddling, fear mongering.”? "They're going to try to make you afraid of me. They're going to say you know what, "He's young and inexperienced and he's got a funny name. Did I mention he's black?"

The MSM called McCain's rallies vitriolic and tinged with racism and hateful but said that Obama has run a clean, non-slanderous campaign and deserves respect. He is the one that wishes to address the issues and look how wonderful Obama is, he will help heal the nation.!!!

What happened in 2008 is almost happening in 2011 with the attacks on Sarah over the Tucson attacks; Barack Obama stood back for days and let his supporters in the media and left rip Palin apart, only then to proclaim that we don't really know what happened in Tuscon and let the media narrative was how wonderful Obama is!

But this time Sarah fought back after a few days and only had a few choice towards the media, and the left and media STILL ATTACKED HER OVER IT'!

If all the others here or pundits like Dick Morris or even FOX NEWS are gonna sit around and watch this happen and say "don't do nothing" or be tepid in a response at best then they need a brain analysis. If Conservatives cannot defend themselves over these baseless, libelous charges then they got no business running. period!


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KEYWORDS: democrats; giffords; mccain; msmlies; obama; palin; tucson
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To: Political Junkie Too

INDEED.


241 posted on 01/22/2011 8:20:15 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: NoGrayZone; GingisK; Joya

Maybe I can try again . . .

it was akin to . . .

Rush often rides the folks from RioLinda. I know it’s a joke. I still think he could make better jokes without insulting the good people in RioLinda. Anyone could.

If I’d posted that to say Joya;

If she were being hastey, she could get all wound up inferring that I was accusing her of insulting the folks from RioLinda.

But I did nothing of the kind. I merely made an observation as GingisK madea bout Christ’s use of language.

IT MIGHT HAVE APPEARED that HE WAS INFERRING that his correspondent was using language contrary to Christ’s

BUT HE DID NOT SAY THAT. AND THE READER HAS TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR

INFERENCE

AS MUCH AS THEY SCREAM FOR GINGISK TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIS WORDING.


242 posted on 01/22/2011 8:24:34 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Bigtigermike; All
Screw that.

I *am* the fray.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

243 posted on 01/22/2011 8:24:42 PM PST by The Comedian ("Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" - B. Goldwater)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Too true.


244 posted on 01/22/2011 8:25:25 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Balding_Eagle; GingisK

He could certainly conduct politicl discourse and even warfare without abusive language

Beck has proven you wrong.


NO! Beck merely proved that while

George Washington COULD do so

he did not 100% ALWAYS do so.


245 posted on 01/22/2011 8:27:31 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: ClearCase_guy; GingisK

Actually, I have found GingisK to be quite humble, contrite, introspective and congruent.

Of course, being human, he’s not perfect.


246 posted on 01/22/2011 8:28:34 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: GingisK

Actually, the puppet masters have been setting up civil-war for a long time.

They want maximum deaths . . . to help reduce the population globally to 200 million.

They are deliberately responsible for making things shrill and hostile between interest groups.

They will light off both civil war and WWIII as well as a lot of man made disasters.


247 posted on 01/22/2011 8:29:57 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Grizzled Bear; GingisK

I think that post was a bit more uncalled for than any poor choice of paragraphing on GingisK’s part.


248 posted on 01/22/2011 8:32:11 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: mad_as_he$$
Examination of ideas is gone from FR. Post something negative about Empress Palin if you do not believe me.

You bemoan that "examination of ideas is gone from FR", and in the very next breath, you hurl an ad hominem at the most popular, most effective conservative fighter of our time.

You're a hypocrite, you know that? No wonder you're whining about this site.

249 posted on 01/22/2011 8:36:36 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: eyedigress

INDEED. Good points.


250 posted on 01/22/2011 8:36:38 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

Did you happen to catch how he disparaged another FReeper’s Christianity? When we called him on it, suddenly it was our problem for not understanding his nuance.

He’s a troll.


251 posted on 01/22/2011 8:38:03 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: GingisK

I LOVE YOU BROTHER.

I LOVE YOUR HEART.

I LOVE YOUR COURAGE.

I LOVE YOUR STRENGTH AND TENACITY.

I’M GRIEVED THAT YOU’VE BEEN SHREDDED SOOOO AND SOOO UNNECESSARILY.


252 posted on 01/22/2011 8:39:18 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: teletech
Civility is a two way street. You encourage civility by BEING CIVIL.

That only works with rational, civilized people. The left is neither. They're a barbarian horde - a pestilence that has infected the body politic, and is eating its brain out while debilitating its limbs.

There is no reasoning or being "civil" with monsters who are trying to devour you alive.

253 posted on 01/22/2011 8:42:17 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Grizzled Bear; GingisK

I understand your feelings and your thinking.

I have enough experience with GingisK to know that he is

A VERY TRUE PATRIOT, CONSERVATIVE, HIGHLY HONORABLE AND

NOT A TROLL.


254 posted on 01/22/2011 8:42:31 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

I found this interesting little quote on your “About Page”:

“Sometimes meek, shy, retiring, and just trying to get along, can be just as effective as lukewarm puke.”

It reminded me of GingisK and your slathering support of the mess he’s made of the discussion her

JCe...


255 posted on 01/22/2011 8:43:34 PM PST by cracker45 (I don't believe in coincidences!)
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To: cracker45

her = here


256 posted on 01/22/2011 8:44:55 PM PST by cracker45 (I don't believe in coincidences!)
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To: Quix; GingisK
Actually, I have found GingisK to be quite humble, contrite, introspective and congruent.

Well, if Quix vouches for you, you must be alright.

But considering how you had 90% of the posters howling for your blood, you might not want to rely on "nuance" in your communication. It's like the guy who keeps getting beaten up in the bar claiming to be a lovable drunk.

257 posted on 01/22/2011 8:46:28 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: cracker45

I seem to know GingisK’s heart better than y’all.

I also don’t have a knee jerk need to shred someone based on assumption and inference.


258 posted on 01/22/2011 8:48:44 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Grizzled Bear; GingisK; NoGrayZone

Thanks.

Certainly when emotions are high and the topic is a naturally intense one.

being very clear and specific with language can be . . .

the difference between life and death.

However, some folks have varying degrees of aspergers, autism etc.

NOT BECAUSE OF PERVERSITY, DISINGENUOUSNESS, HYPOCRISY, ETC.

BUT BECAUSE

LITERALLY THEIR BRAINS ARE TRULY LITERALLY ‘WIRED’ DIFFERENTLY

as fMRI’s and PET scans show.

This particularly impacts their language and social skills.

NOW BEFORE SOMEONE INFERS AND ASSUMES

that I just indicated that GingisK has aspergers or autism—It did NOT.

GINGISK himself noted his wife knows him to be clumsy in social situations and entering conversations.

I personally don’t find that sufficient reason to dogpile him and shred him.

I value his values and his heart for holding those values. I value him as a fellow conservative of high integrity and good intent. I also see him as one of the more humble on FR.

Yes, he might do well to be more precise in language—particularly on heated threads and topics.

The same could be said of ALL OF US AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER ON FR.


259 posted on 01/22/2011 8:53:34 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Political Junkie Too

260 posted on 01/22/2011 9:03:01 PM PST by Velveeta
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