The question asked does not include Scientology (aliens came to Earth and made man flawed) or the view the God does not exist at all.
And if God did not make man or the universe, are there multiple Gods that sprang forth from the Big Bang?
Posted on 12/20/2010 7:19:04 AM PST by SeekAndFind
If you're in a room of 100 people, odds are likely about 40 think God created humans about 10,000 years ago, part of a philosophy called creationism, according to a Gallup poll reported Friday (Dec. 17). That number is slightly lower than in years past and down from a high of 47 percent in both 1993 and 1999.
And 38 percent of Americans, the poll estimates, believe God guided the process that brought humans from "cavemen" to today's incarnation over millions of years, while 16 percent think humans evolved over millions of years, without any divine intervention.
This secular view, while a relatively small number, is up from 9 percent in 1982, according to Gallup.
Like most American attitudes, Gallup wrote, views on human origins have political consequences. For instance, debates and clashes over which explanations for human origins should be included in school textbooks have persisted for decades. And with 40 percent of Americans continuing to hold to an anti-evolutionary belief about the origin of humans, it is highly likely that these types of debates will continue, according to Gallup.
The findings also stand in stark contrast to another announcement Friday, this one by John Holdren, director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy. The memo was issued to federal science agencies to guide them in making rules to ensure scientific integrity.
The Gallup results are based on telephone interviews conducted Dec. 10-12 with a random sample of 1,019 adults, ages 18 and older, living in the continental United States. The findings were weighted by gender, age, race, education, religion and phone lines to make the sample nationally representative.
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>>Hmmm so before the original sin where death and destruction entered the Earth, the dinosaur and a whole bunch of other animals went extinct - before death right?<<
Where does it say that there never was death before the world as we know it throughout all of eternity? Would you suggest that the world as we know it was the first time God did anything even though we believe He existed for all eternity before?
>>Hmmm not very probable for evolution to leave anything that old as an exact replica of a modern-day ‘fossil - is it?<<
Evolution? I don’t believe in evolution. Probabilities always leave an opening for “did”.
Well when I say I believe in God AND accept evolution (a significant part of that 78% that see God as involved in the origins of humanity) I am told that I am not really a Christian; let alone a “creationist” (a title I would eschew regardless).
So maybe THAT is why. Because words have commonly accepted meaning, and the commonly accepted meaning of “creationist” is one who rejects the theory of evolution.
What is your point WRT walt Brown’s book? (I have a 10 +/- YO copy of it)
That's OK. We knew you didn't have them.
"You see, whether you believe it or not will make no changes in my life and surely doesn’t impact ones Salvation."
You may be right. You may not.
"Science and the Bible do not disagree unless you try to box God into the last 6-7000 years or try some conviluted interpretation of Scripture to try to explain away scientific findings."
Actually science and the Bible disagree by definition. Science is based on the assumption that there is no god and that everything that is observed occurred without supernatural intervention. The Bible is based on the assumption that Jehovah-elohim created, sustains and will renew all things. Can't disagree more fundamentally than that.
The convoluted interpretations of Scripture are those which try to put God into the box created by the pronouncements of philosophically-atheistic science. Heck, even the pronouncements of science are so convoluted that they could all be overturned tomorrow and the philosophical naturalists would still believe.
Now why, unless you are somehow threatened by investigating alternative views, would you try to disparage another Christian because of their interpretation? If you don’t intend on having an open, adult discussion it would be a waste of my time and better if I just shake the dust off my shoes.
Comebacks like yours is not the most mature way to debate any subject.
Thought the 2 of you were referring to this scripture
‘the Earth rests on pillars (I Sam. 2:8)’
and recalled Dr. Brown referencing the same quote in explaining his hydroplate theory.
Not that I expect either of you to read it since it might alter your whole worldview/value system.
The question asked does not include Scientology (aliens came to Earth and made man flawed) or the view the God does not exist at all.
And if God did not make man or the universe, are there multiple Gods that sprang forth from the Big Bang?
Your “gap theory” is a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist.
All the evidence taken as a whole supports the 6000 +/- year age of Earth. There is no reason to waste any more time on the false presentations of self proclaimed “scientists” that cherry-pick evidence, selecting a miniscule bit that can be manipulated to their purpose, and rejecting the 99.99999% 0f the data that demolish their nonsense.
Read “Starlight and Time” and get the cobwebs out.
Shhhh, they paid for a push poll and by Lenin they are going to get one!
The 13th revision won’t be any more convincing for me...
Read what?
And yet creationists get up in arms when they are told that they are against science?
The scientific method is based upon the assumption that there are rational physical and predictable causes of physical phenomena. And lo and behold there ARE! Gravity, electromagnetism, radioactive decay, nuclear fusion, etc, etc, etc!
Looking for physical causes to explain physical phenomena has been the most productive means of gaining reliable information about the physical world ever invented.
Looking for supernatural causes to explain physical phenomena has been useless in explaining or predicting physical phenomena.
"from less advanced forms of life"
The evolutionary view doesn't look at life as a ladder. There's no MORE and LESS advanced life. Just BETTER or LESS adapted to survival.
Now, that’s a weak comeback and you know it. To expect me to write a dissertation on a subject like that would take up more space in this forum and more of my time then practical. Given the ease of actually doing a study on the internet wouldn’t it be foolish for me to even bring it up if I hadn’t already had my Biblical reasons for the belief?
>>Actually science and the Bible disagree by definition. Science is based on the assumption that there is no god and that everything that is observed occurred without supernatural intervention.<<
What a slap in the face of all the truly Christian Scientists out there. So you would say that any Christian school or College that teaches Science is what? Wrong, not Christian by your definition? What?
I Samuel 2:
[8] He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD’s, and he hath set the world upon them.
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This is your basis for literal pillars?
Do you believe that God sits on a Rosewood throne?
Or that the beggars are only on “dunghills?”
>>Read “Starlight and Time” and get the cobwebs out.<<
I’ve read it. Please don’t ping me again.
> “ To expect me to write a dissertation on a subject like that would take up more space in this forum and more of my time then practical. Given the ease of actually doing a study on the internet wouldn’t it be foolish for me to even bring it up if I hadn’t already had my Biblical reasons for the belief?
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In a moderated debate, your technique above is known as “elephant hurling.”
Try harder.
Please don’t log on to FR!
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The term creationism is deliberately misleading.
It’s become a pejorative like “truther” short for “9-11 trufer”.
EVERYONE has a belief or theory of how the universe came to be (whether they subscribe to the theory they lean towards most at 100% or not).
There are scientists and atheists who’s creation STORY is “there was nothing, and then suddenly everything spawned forth from a single point”.
That’s still a story of creation. It may be true. It may not be. It may be partially correct.
Anyone who believes there is a God (whether they be Hindu, Muslim, Jewish, Christian, etc) pretty much holds a views at some level that God created the universe. The stories may vary but that is a basic principle held. If God did not make anything, then God has no authority over man anymore than a badger has authority over an eagle. We are all equals. Then there are the Giaist pagans who believe in a “creator” but that man was just another animal and that we “owe God one” because “she” made the planet we all share.
And if God didn’t make any of this, (A) did God(s) spring forth from the Big Bang, or (B) was God suprised by the sudden turn of events when from “almost” nothing (God existed, possibly by some beliefs) came everything?
Each one of those rabbit holes is a different story of creation. But to the MSM, there is only one “creation” belief and that is God made man and woman 6,000-10,000 years ago along with dinosaurs and and and.
Cockroaches got rights and next year I’m deducting them on my taxes as dependents.
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