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The idea that could let us see before time
New Scientist 'blogs ^ | November 24, 2010 | Amanda Gefter, CultureLab editor

Posted on 12/14/2010 7:27:22 PM PST by SunkenCiv

In Once Before Time, Martin Bojowald explains how he developed the idea of loop quantum gravity and how it will soon be put to the test.

At the moment of the big bang, our universe emerged from a state of infinite density, a point in space and time so small it had no size at all. This, the standard cosmological story tells us, is the singularity, the seed of creation. Singularities can also serve as seeds of destruction, lurking in the centres of black holes, the final endpoints of total gravitational collapse.

Many physicists, however, believe singularities do not mark the ends of space and time but rather the limits of the theory we use to describe them. That theory is general relativity and, according to Martin Bojowald, it's suicidal. When it jumps off a ledge, physicists need a more fundamental theory to take over, one that incorporates what they've learned about the quantum nature of the world - a theory of quantum gravity.

The majority of physicists have turned to string theory as their quantum gravity theory of choice. But a smaller group of physicists has been working on a theory known as loop quantum gravity. According to LQG, space-time on the quantum scale is not smooth and continuous but discrete, built of tiny loops linked and knotted to form a space-time mesh.

Bojowald was 27 years old when he took the equations of LQG and used them to see what happens to space-time near the big bang's singularity. In doing so, he discovered something amazing, and founded the field of loop quantum cosmology (LQC) in the process. Once Before Time tells the story of Bojowald's discovery and its implications in fascinating, eloquent, even literary prose.

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Once Before Time: A Whole Story of the Universe Once Before Time:
A Whole Story of the Universe

by Martin Bojowald


1 posted on 12/14/2010 7:27:27 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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Big Bang or Big Bounce?: New Theory on the Universe’s Birth
By Martin Bojowald | October 6, 2008
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=big-bang-or-big-bounce


2 posted on 12/14/2010 7:28:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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3 posted on 12/14/2010 7:29:01 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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4 posted on 12/14/2010 7:30:40 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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yawwwwwn, more handwaving to get around the obvious creator.....


5 posted on 12/14/2010 7:34:01 PM PST by raygunfan
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To: SunkenCiv

I think it’s really interesting when they try to explain the complexities of the Universe based on the ‘little’ that we understand. It leads to much speculation.

(p.s. All the answers so far are wrong. But please don’t mention it to anyone else. They’ll just get mad)


6 posted on 12/14/2010 7:35:35 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: SunkenCiv

The three reviews at Amazon are parsimonious in their praise for this book.

Not worth buying based on those; maybe I’ll check if the library has it.


7 posted on 12/14/2010 7:38:15 PM PST by steve86
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To: SunkenCiv

8 posted on 12/14/2010 7:39:22 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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Bump for tomorrow morning :)


9 posted on 12/14/2010 7:49:28 PM PST by Constitution Day
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To: raygunfan
The big bang idea is junk physics.
10 posted on 12/14/2010 8:01:58 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: SunkenCiv
At the moment of the big bang, our universe emerged from a state of infinite density, a point in space and time so small it had no size at all.>

When they say nonsensical stuff like this, then you know it's all bullshit.

11 posted on 12/14/2010 8:44:10 PM PST by csense
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To: raygunfan
yawwwwwn, more handwaving to get around the obvious creator..

True dat Bump.


12 posted on 12/14/2010 8:45:15 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Save the whales. Collect the whole set.)
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To: csense
At the moment of the big bang, our universe emerged from a state of infinite density, a point in space and time so small it had no size at all.

When they say nonsensical stuff like this, then you know it's all bullshit.

13 posted on 12/14/2010 8:46:35 PM PST by csense
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To: SunkenCiv

LOOP DE LOOP
Johnny Thunder

Here we go loop de loop
Here we go loop de li
Here we go loop de loop
On a saturday night

We’re having a party
Ev’rybody’s havin’ a great time
All the gang’s here and a-dancin’
Yeah I’m loopin’ with a baby of mine

Here we go loop de loop
Here we go loop de li
Here we go loop de loop
On a saturday night

Darling are you ready
To loop a loop loop with me
Start right there
Wait just a minute until I count to three

(one, two, three)
Here we go loop de loop
Here we go loop de li
Here we go loop de loop
On a saturday night

http://www.lyricstime.com/johnny-thunder-loop-de-loop-lyrics.html


14 posted on 12/14/2010 8:49:12 PM PST by bunkerhill7
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To: csense

When I read that phrase, it reminded me of this :

Ladies and Gentlemen, skinny and stout,
I’ll tell you a tale I know nothing about;
The Admission is free, so pay at the door,
Now pull up a chair and sit on the floor.

One fine day in the middle of the night,
Two dead boys got up to fight;
Back to back they faced each other,
Drew their swords and shot each other.

A blind man came to watch fair play,
A mute man came to shout “Horray!”
A deaf policeman heard the noise and
Came to stop those two dead boys.

He lived on the corner in the middle of the block,
In a two-story house on a vacant lot;
A man with no legs came walking by,
and kicked the lawman in his thigh.

He crashed through a wall without making a sound,
into a dry creek bed and suddenly drowned;
The long black hearse came to cart him away,
But he ran for his life and is still gone today.

I watched from the corner of the big round table,
The only eyewitness to facts of my fable;
But if you doubt my lies are true,
Just ask the blind man, he saw it too.


15 posted on 12/14/2010 8:54:44 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: csense
"A point in space so small
It really had no size at all"


16 posted on 12/14/2010 8:58:13 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2

I haven’t seen that in it’s entirety in a long time...


17 posted on 12/14/2010 9:04:51 PM PST by csense
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To: UCANSEE2

Too funny...


18 posted on 12/14/2010 9:06:04 PM PST by csense
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To: csense
Never could understand how the point of infinite density could be a point in space/time when the 3 spatial dimensions and 1 temporal dimension didn't exist yet.
How about the point existed in 2 dimensions and then the infamous quantum fluctuation, distance and time kicked in .....Bang everywhere on the 2 dimensional plain....Flat universe everywhere, no curvature.
What caused the point and 2 dimensions...and then there was a miracle.
19 posted on 12/14/2010 9:18:53 PM PST by The Cajun
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To: UCANSEE2
I think it’s really interesting when they try to explain the complexities of the Universe based on the ‘little’ that we understand.

Exactly. Everything we understand on Earth has a measurable and certain density. The things we study outside our planet have a somewhat-measurable density, neutron stars among the most dense in the universe. What I can't get is how something can have no size, yet be infinitely dense. Yet there are galaxies that are thousands of generations away from us considering propulsion today. Obviously, everything had to come from somewhere, but the idea that everything originated out of an infinitely dense, invisible point is just... arrogant.

20 posted on 12/14/2010 9:49:33 PM PST by wastedyears (It has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with control.)
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