Posted on 12/09/2010 8:48:32 AM PST by Lorianne
Seeing as I just discussed murder, it seems fitting to next discuss abortion, as abortion is murder. When you get an abortion, you are killing a living organism, something that had the potential to become a fully-developed human being. I understand the perspective of the pro-life movement.
However, we kill living things all the time. We chop down trees to build our homes, we kill rodents and insects when they intrude said homes, we kill fish and other animals for sport and for nutrition purposes, and neither microorganism nor mouse is safe in Smith Hall; they are constantly killed for educational and research purposes.
We murder organisms we deem inferior to us without hesitance every day, and I personally believe fetuses fit into this category.
We do not have emotion for the reproductive gametes before they combine. When a man masturbates, I would be surprised to learn that he mourns the death of his sperm, as they die shortly after ejaculation. However, once a sperm cell combines with an egg and has the potential to become a human, people become very emotional, despite the fact that it is not a person during the first trimester, the time in which abortions are permitted.
During the first trimester, a fetus has no idea what is happening, as its brain is not developed enough for such advanced forms of awareness, thought and emotion. In the first trimester, a growing fetus cannot possibly understand what life is. It does not understand that it is being deprived of anything when an abortion is taking place. If my parents aborted my birth, I would not have been upset, as I could not have experienced any emotions during those early weeks of life.
Although it could be argued that I would be missing out on future experiences, I would not have been aware of this deprivation and would therefore not have experienced this deprivation.
Aside: If, for example, a wife cheats on her husband, but the husband never becomes aware of the affair, I would argue that this duplicity is not bad for the husband. If the wife is still loving and the husband is still happy, and if no one that knows about this affair negatively alters their behavior toward this man, he is unaffected. Yes, those aware of this affair would say that their relationship is not as strong because of this lie, but the man is still happily oblivious to it all. According to this train of thought, a fetus early in development, oblivious to everything, surely cannot emotionally suffer from an abortion.
And even if I was aware of what was happening, I do not think I would want to exist if my life was a mistake. I would not want to be a burden on a young woman still in high school. I would not want to limit the freedom of a young couple, one that may not want a child yet and may be financially unstable. And I would certainly not want to be the resulting reward of rape.
We wear condoms and take birth control in the attempt to prevent childbirth. Just because these precautionary measures fail does not mean women should be forced to suffer through carrying a child for nine months and undergo a painful and potentially fatal delivery.
Some that cannot raise a child on their own put their children up for adoption, but why force another to potentially grow up in an orphanage? We are overpopulated enough as it is.
To create life is a major responsibility; people should not have children unless they believe they can care for their children and make them happy. Life is hard even when one has loving parents with the best intentions. Life is filled with unfulfilled desires, never-ending stress (especially so close to finals) and disappointments. I do not know if I want to be responsible for putting another human being through the hardships that accompany existence.
It would seem that the author believes that .. If you ignore or are unaware of evil .. evil does not exists!
So-o-o .. If I am unaware or just ignore that train ‘barreling’ down upon me .. it will just go away or better yet .. It just wont exist!?
(Gotta remember this .. when my taxes come due! 8)
Bump!
“During the first trimester, a fetus has no idea what is happening, as its brain is not developed enough for such advanced forms of awareness, thought and emotion. In the first trimester, a growing fetus cannot possibly understand what life is. It does not understand that it is being deprived of anything when an abortion is taking place. If my parents aborted my birth, I would not have been upset, as I could not have experienced any emotions during those early weeks of life.
Although it could be argued that I would be missing out on future experiences, I would not have been aware of this deprivation and would therefore not have experienced this deprivation. “
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Okay for the sake of argument I will agree with this man. Let us suppose the fetus, because of spinal development did not feel pain, did not know what happened and died never knowing life. I will buy it.
Here is what I want to know. The abortionist and the nurses that saw the fetus in the first trimester come out in “parts” and had to “put it back together” (unless it was done by RU486 and came out in one piece) and they saw this fully formed human fetus. They saw life that “could have been, and they knew they just murdered it. How do they look at themselves in the mirror each day?
Now multiply this by how many abortions done in that clinic alone?
How do these abortionist and nurses even get out of bed in the morning?
Anyone. Anyone who thinks like this cannot be trusted to add his check book correctly, let alone be taken seriously on moral questions.
First off, a "loving" wife is not going to cheat. Second, whether the husband ever finds out, or not, depends on too many things that the wife cannot control. Her "morality" depends on the actions of others. There's something just WRONG about that.
Third, even assuming that he never finds out, she has to live the lie for the rest of her life, or his. That's got to be hard on someone that is truly sorry. Or is she just going to continue to cheat while being "loving" at home?
Fourthly, would she feel the same way if she was the cuckqueen? Fifthly, since when did right and wrong depend on emotions?
To create life is a major responsibility; people should not have children unless they believe they can care for their children and make them happy. Life is hard even when one has loving parents with the best intentions. Life is filled with unfulfilled desires, never-ending stress (especially so close to finals) and disappointments. I do not know if I want to be responsible for putting another human being through the hardships that accompany existence.
Perhaps there should have been one other "unfulfilled desire", if you know what I mean.
This link seems to work:
http://www.thetowerlight.com/2010/12/abortion-a-fetus-doesn%E2%80%99t-care/
The man left God out of the mix. I guess the existence or will of God means nothing to him.
It will.
No mention of the expense.
"I do not know if I want to be responsible for putting another human being through the hardships that accompany existence."
But forcing hard working Americans to "share the wealth" with deadbeats is OK.
Abortion: A liberal doesn’t care.
““Although it could be argued that I would be missing out on future experiences, I would not have been aware of this deprivation and would therefore not have experienced this deprivation.”
So I guess if somebody decided to play God and end HIS life, he could say the same thing about himself.
What an arrogant idiot.
He argues that the fetus doesn’t mind death.
Except we have instances of fetuses that fight to survive abortion attempts.
Whoops.
Wonder where he stands on the death penalty.
Probably much older than 6 months before a child realizes there is a future? Think about it most children have no sense of time it is why they ask everyday when Christmas or birthdays are so by his srgument a child could be killed up to about the age of 5 or 6.
“And even if I was aware of what was happening, I do not think I would want to exist if my life was a mistake. I would not want to be a burden on a young woman still in high school. “
yet these people have no guilt burdening others with high taxes to pay for their welfare checks.
“And even if I was aware of what was happening, I do not think I would want to exist if my life was a mistake. I would not want to be a burden on a young woman still in high school. “
yet these people have no guilt burdening others with high taxes to pay for their welfare checks.
Why should a man be forced to suffer through paying for a child for 18 years that he never wanted?
Double standard.
For being a Jew, this guy sounds an awful lot like a German National Socialist from the late 1930's.
There is only one group on Earth that is experiencing over-population, and that is the progressives of all colors and creeds.
We, and they, would be far, far better off if they would self-abort, effing pronto, and save us the ammo and effort it's going to require later on.
This is the new tack pro-aborts have to take, because they have completely lost the scientific argument. There is no debate about when life begins, or whether abortion kills a living human organism. Consequently, pro-aborts have to re-cast the discussion in broad, unmeasurable subjective terms like “personhood” to make the question metaphysical rather than concrete.
Of course, by doing so (i.e., insisting that abortion be legal because they believe - without evidence - that a fetus isn’t really a “person” yet, doesn’t have a “soul”, etc.) they are engaging in exactly the sort of theocratic behavior they accuse the right of.
Very well stated. The argument has always been a theological one. His position is that a Godless mother has the right to destroy her child because she does not believe God is involved. Stunning.
I was amazed by his admission, "And even if I was aware of what was happening, I do not think I would want to exist if my life was a mistake."
I believe I can prove conclusively that his life is a mistake. Certainly his thoughts demonstrate an inability to cope with reason. His every word is a mistake. This is a cry from a suicidally depressed egomaniac.
If he honestly believes that finals are the epitomy of stress he has not lived long enough to have experienced life. By his own admission he is a candidate for late term abortion.
Seeing as I just discussed murder, it seems fitting to next discuss abortion, as abortion is murder.
He should have stopped while he was ahead.
When you get an abortion, you are killing a living organism, something that had the potential to become a fully-developed human being.
No, you are killing a HUMAN BEING. A potential human being is before conception. I'll address HIS definition of fully developed down further.
I understand the perspective of the pro-life movement.
Clearly not.
However, we kill living things all the time. We chop down trees to build our homes, we kill rodents and insects when they intrude said homes, we kill fish and other animals for sport and for nutrition purposes, and neither microorganism nor mouse is safe in Smith Hall; they are constantly killed for educational and research purposes.
Here he compares an aborn child to a household pest. Liberal devaluation of human life at its finest.
We murder organisms we deem inferior to us without hesitance every day, and I personally believe fetuses fit into this category.
It doesn't matter what you PERSONALLY believe. What matters are the facts.
We do not have emotion for the reproductive gametes before they combine. When a man masturbates, I would be surprised to learn that he mourns the death of his sperm, as they die shortly after ejaculation. However, once a sperm cell combines with an egg and has the potential to become a human, people become very emotional, despite the fact that it is not a person during the first trimester, the time in which abortions are permitted.
1) Not a person in the first trimester, huh? So one day before the second trimester begins, we have a nonperson who then magically turns into a person on the first day of the second trimester, eh?
2) Many of your fellow pro-aborts believe that there isn't a person till birth. What makes your opinion more valid then theirs? Does that mean that you intend upon fighting to ban abortion outside of the first trimester. What? No?
3) Abortions occur through all 9 months of pregnancy in the U.S.
During the first trimester, a fetus has no idea what is happening, as its brain is not developed enough for such advanced forms of awareness, thought and emotion. In the first trimester, a growing fetus cannot possibly understand what life is. It does not understand that it is being deprived of anything when an abortion is taking place. If my parents aborted my birth, I would not have been upset, as I could not have experienced any emotions during those early weeks of life.
It doesn't matter if the child knows. Is it ok for me to shoot someone in the back of the head because they would die instantly and not know?! What about infants? They have no real grasp on the concept of life. Peter Singer says we should be able to kill them up to 6 months. What about the mentally handicapped or those in a coma?
Although it could be argued that I would be missing out on future experiences, I would not have been aware of this deprivation and would therefore not have experienced this deprivation.
Man A is going on vacation to Hawaii tomorrow. He is killed instantly in a deliberate hit and run tonight. He's not aware he's missing his trip. Ok to hit him?
And even if I was aware of what was happening, I do not think I would want to exist if my life was a mistake. I would not want to be a burden on a young woman still in high school. I would not want to limit the freedom of a young couple, one that may not want a child yet and may be financially unstable. And I would certainly not want to be the resulting reward of rape.
We wear condoms and take birth control in the attempt to prevent childbirth. Just because these precautionary measures fail does not mean women should be forced to suffer through carrying a child for nine months and undergo a painful and potentially fatal delivery.
Here he goes with the cliches of "suffering" and "burden". Didn't Obama say something similar if his girls got pregnant. So it's ok to kill one person in order so that another may have a simpler life?
Some that cannot raise a child on their own put their children up for adoption, but why force another to potentially grow up in an orphanage? We are overpopulated enough as it is.
Orphanage? The demand exceeds the availability of infants in this country when it comes to parents waiting to adopt.
Here he goes with overpopulation. I'll even take him on his premise. We're overpopulated. (I don't believe we are.) Is it ok to kill persons already in existence to solve overpopulation?
To create life is a major responsibility; people should not have children unless they believe they can care for their children and make them happy.
Planned Parenthood spiel, "Every child a wanted child". (We'll kill the ones you don't want.) Is the value of a human being based on whether or not a person is wanted and happy?
Life is hard even when one has loving parents with the best intentions. Life is filled with unfulfilled desires, never-ending stress (especially so close to finals) and disappointments. I do not know if I want to be responsible for putting another human being through the hardships that accompany existence.
Here lays the groundwork for euthanasia and assisted suicide, which I'm sure Suckerman, being the good, young liberal he is, believes in.
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