Posted on 11/23/2010 4:41:59 PM PST by pepsi_junkie
The Taurus is quite effective as a defensive weapon using either .45 long colt or .410 shotgun shell. Use the “Handgun .410” that are produced by either Federal or Winchester as they do not have a shotcup which would spread the shot. 3 inch spread at 10 feet. 3 or four .36 caliber rounds in the perp with penetration of 15 inches. Lethal.
I was in on the tail end of a discussion with a guy who had used the .45/.410 Bond Arms Derringer for defense at 10 feet or so. Perp collapsed like he had a bank vault dropped on him and died before the EMS could get there. Very effective. Probably could be a second or third pistol as you need to learn to shoot before getting something this specialized.
All of the best pistol shots I know, and I am talking people who can put pistol rounds into a 2 1/2 inch circle at 100 yards, are revolver shooters.
One last thing: The point of defensive shooting is to walk away under your own power, it is not to kill or disable a perp. It is quite different than tactical shooting and you need to know that difference.
Shoot the perp, stop the attack and then immediately get out of there. Move some distance from the attack and then and only then call EMS.
I really agree with your analysis of recoil. The .45 ACP was the first pistol I shot that I felt had acceptable recoil. And it is just a push rather than a jump.
I asked my son about recoil after I was shooting my S&W .40 at the range and then fired his short barrel Glock .45, which I did much better with. He went to the internet and showed me the graphs. May have to trade.
I don’t know why everyone says that the recoil on a .45 is so bad. It is quite mild.
It may be that people who spend time with a .45 love them and people who haven’t shot them opine on them without shooting them keep talking about the non-existent recoil.
Sort of like Hi-point pistols. Those who own them love them, those who don’t own them “wouldn’t use them for a paper weight”.
Why ask me? Why don’t you ask Jim Robinson and ask him why Free Republic supported Schumer.
While you’re at it, ask why Free Republic continued to lie about the NRA’s endorsements.
Have you lost your mind Shooter?
What BigCin said....forget about automatics or other exotic alternatives.
Get a 4-inch .357 revolver for versatility, simplicity, and stopping power.
The Smith & Wesson Model 19 was what the US Marine Embassy Guards used to carry. Throw some Pac-Meyer grips on it, and you will NOT be disappointed.
You can use .38 to work on your confidence until you are ready for .357.
If you ever think you’ll carry concealed, go with the 2 1/2 inch barrel.
Cleaning and loading a revolver are easier for folks with minimal experience but they have limited capacity.
Automatics have greater volume of fire power but are harder to learn to clean.
If you have a buddy have him walk you through it 15 times.
Automatics are more concealable..Revovlers are more reliable.
There is one “fact” which is repeated many times on this thread and on just about any other similar one. That it is not correct, usually isn’t that important as it isn’t too far off, but the truth is important.
“Everyone knows that revolvers fire every time you pull the trigger. They are more reliable than autos”.
Here is the real story. With a couple of qualifiers, that quote simply is not true.
The qualifiers are if the auto is fed high quality ammo of the proper type.
I used to teach skeet shooting at the University of Southern Mississippi. The skeet range was at the city of Hattiesburg’s old police firing range. Although they had a new range the old one was still heavily used.
Sometimes between classes I would sit in the small bleacher and watch officers doing qualifying or whatever it was. When I first started they were using S&W revolvers. Probably model 13’s. I got to noticing that after just about every string of fire, a cop would bring his jammed revolver to the rangemaster to show him before clearing the jam.
Somewhere along the line they switched to Glock model 17’s. I would watch them as they monotonously went through string after string of fire with never a malfunction. The interesting thing to me, is I don’t even think Glocks are the most reliable autos tho the newer ones may be about as good as any.
There are a lot of things which can jam a revolver. If the barrel to cylinder gap is too close and/or the range is off, the cylinder face will become clogged with firing debris and jam the cylinder. Also the action can and sometimes is short cycled on the second or third, etc. shot resulting in a badly jammed action.
A bent crane is also fairly common. Dirt or mud or anything like that will jam a revolver much more quickly that an auto. A high primer can also jam one tho that might cause an even worse problem with an auto. Probably the most common one is empty cases getting stuck under the extractor star. Sometimes with hot loads and a rough chamber, the cases simply stay in the cylinder. There are a lot of other possibilities but I can’t think of all them right now.
I like revolvers. I also like autos and single shots. They both are extremely reliable assuming high quality models.
Just don’t tell me that revolvers never fail. They do. I have had it happen more than once.
Looks like a Kimber :)
I’ll ditto all your points. An excellent reply. Read these carefully and use them.
For the record, I'm a New Jersey resident so buying a gun here is one of the hardest things a human being can do, it requires immense stamina and will power to see the process through. That is, unless you are a criminal; then it's easy. I, on the other hand, will follow the law. So it will take months of waiting and for that, I will get the privilege of buying one gun. (I say privilege because it can't be a right. after all, I have to ask permission and wait months until the deign to grant it). Let me repeat, One gun. If I want two, I have to go through that process for each one, more months of waiting. So I really do want one that my wife and I can share, enjoy at a range, and have some peace of mind with.
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So I know the answer is hiding here in the 250+ responses, now over this thanksgiving weekend I have some serious reading to do! Thanks for your help!
After going to the shoot-out with Allen last summer I know what I need! It is one of those Kimbers with a lazer for the aim that can’t miss!!
Go away, idiot.
I hadn’t heard of those problems with revolvers. Thanks for the heads up.
But as a whole, a jammed revolver is pretty rare.
Thought that was a Firestorm. I bought one about a year ago gave $375 for it serial 0000011 that is the reason I bought it low serial number but to tell the truth I shoot it better than any gun I own Kimber Colt Springfield and a Para, the Firestorm is made by Metro Arms fantastic gun for the money.
Idiot???
What the hell do you think would have happened if Reid would have lost that election? Don’t you have a clue as to who is next in line? And you’re going to plead ignorance as to how much a threat chuck schumer is?
At least the NRA knows how to count votes and figure out seniority lists.
Only an idiot would hope for Reid to win. Don’t go away mad. Just go away.
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