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WWII Photographs...Has anyone seen these before?
11/15/2010 | Myself

Posted on 11/15/2010 8:08:42 PM PST by rlmorel

I was at my in-laws some time ago, and they brought out a bunch of boxes with images in them. We were looking over the family pictures, and I saw this small stack wrapped in brown paper. When I opened it, I found prints of the six images below. When I asked my mother-in-law where they came from, she said that she had worked at a drugstore in East Boston as a teenager in the mid to late forties. People brought film in to be developed all the time, and never came back to pick it up. They held onto some of them for years before they threw them out. She said she grabbed them with a bunch of other pictures as they were being thrown in the trash during an long-needed cleanup at the store. These were prints from what were probably original negatives I would guess.

What I found most interesting was the surrender scene. All this time I had it, I just assumed it was another angle from the Missouri Surrender ceremony, but when you really look at it, it isn't. There are no civilians, the weather is wrong and the ship looks older than the Missouri. Has anyone ever seen any of these images? Comments? I am very well versed on WWII history particularly in the Pacific Theater, and I don't recall ever seeing these pictures in any books I have ever read.


TOPICS: Arts/Photography; History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: history; navair; navy; photography; wwii
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To: Yehuda

Whether you are working aloft, over the side or being transferred from ship to ship the problem is suspending a person by ropes. The answer is a bosun’s chair.


101 posted on 11/16/2010 9:03:24 AM PST by magslinger ('This is a United States Marine Corps FA-18 fighter. Send 'em up, I'll wait!')
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To: pepsi_junkie

Boy, isn’t that the truth!

I had a friend (an aviation buff) on an aviation forum somewhere else on the Internet, talking about military aircraft.

A woman (so she said) came on and was talking about how air shows were like the Nuremburg Rallies in Germany, and she called the “phallic shaped” airplanes “the Death Sex Object”.

I kid you not! This is the honest truth!


102 posted on 11/16/2010 9:09:33 AM PST by rlmorel (When charity is mandatory, it becomes servitude.)
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To: unkus

Thanks to your dad, and those like him. We sure could use them today...


103 posted on 11/16/2010 9:11:11 AM PST by rlmorel (When charity is mandatory, it becomes servitude.)
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To: Veeram

Thought you might be interested in this discussion...


104 posted on 11/16/2010 10:06:06 AM PST by rlmorel (When charity is mandatory, it becomes servitude.)
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To: rlmorel
A woman (so she said) came on and was talking about how air shows were like the Nuremburg Rallies in Germany, and she called the “phallic shaped” airplanes “the Death Sex Object”.

Wonder what she thought about the Obama rally in Denver where he was surrounded by thousands of weeping and fainting disciples while he stood in the center of several large vertical columns? Probably say something like this:

"I'll go so far as to say it was transcendent political theater from start to finish. It was a singular and historic experience created by perfect timing and tempo, just enough of every ingredient, a smashing main entree and a magical crescendo of an ending -- all happening within a massive, thundering bowlful of Democrats ready to celebrate, and to rumble."

But it's the airshow that is like Nuremburg.

105 posted on 11/16/2010 10:22:33 AM PST by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: pepsi_junkie

Ugh! That sounds completely disgusting, “...a thundering bowlful of Democrats...”

If that doesn’t make you throw up just a little in your mouth, nothing will.


106 posted on 11/16/2010 10:28:33 AM PST by rlmorel (When charity is mandatory, it becomes servitude.)
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To: laxcoach

quite an ordinary occurance during vietnam. I was lucky enough to be transferred from USSChemung to the USS Hornet CVS12 my actual duty assignment after boot camp. Boarded the Chemung (oiler) in Subic Bay and rode it til the 2 ships met and replenished at sea. Damn cool experience. (at 18)


107 posted on 11/16/2010 10:55:26 AM PST by Uriah
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To: rlmorel

bttt


108 posted on 11/16/2010 10:58:29 AM PST by ConservativeMan55
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To: NTHockey

And definitely a Martin B-26 at the extreme aft end. No other aircraft had a tail like that. The Navy did have a few, used for target tows, that were painted yellow. Could be one of those judging by the light color in the photo.


109 posted on 11/16/2010 11:09:58 AM PST by 19th LA Inf
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To: STD
I’ve seen the photo of the Hellcat on fire before.

That's not a Hellcat, but a Wildcat (FM-1 or FM-2, which were the GM/Eastern Aircraft-manufactured versions. The FM-2 had a slightly taller tail, but I can't readily tell of the planes had it by those two pics). The pic of the Wildcat bursting into flames clearly shows a round cowling rather than the oval one of the F6F.
110 posted on 11/16/2010 11:34:20 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: 19th LA Inf
And definitely a Martin B-26 at the extreme aft end. No other aircraft had a tail like that. The Navy did have a few, used for target tows, that were painted yellow. Could be one of those judging by the light color in the photo.

Yup, that's a JM-1 Marauder in target-tow colors. Moving forward I see a C-47 fuselage, followed by a PV-1 Ventura (glass windows in the nose), a PV-1 or PV-2 Harpoon (evolved Ventura, hard to distinguish between the two from that distance) and six or seven PBY Catalinas (from their nose-up attitude they are flying boats sitting on beaching gear and not the -5A amphibian sub-type of the Catalina)
111 posted on 11/16/2010 11:40:49 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

Should add that, given the fact that all the other aircraft on the deck are USN, the C-47 would be carrying the R4D designation used by the USN/USMC.


112 posted on 11/16/2010 11:43:30 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

It’s from Leyte Gulf’s Taffey 2


113 posted on 11/16/2010 11:53:16 AM PST by STD (He walks like a he duck, he talks like a duck, yo' mama married two of the duckers, U a duck Boy!)
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To: STD
It’s from Leyte Gulf’s Taffey 2

I don't think so. Taffey 2 consisted of Natoma Bay, Manila Bay, Marcus Island, Kadashan Bay, Savo Island, and Ommaney Bay. Nehenta Bay, which is the carrier the pics are based around, was not in Taffey 2, or the other two Taffeys, for that matter.

The two pics of the Wildcats also show them to be in overall the Gloss Sea Blue scheme, which was mainly a 1945 scheme, not the tricolor (Gloss Sea Blue, Non-Spec Blue-Gray, White) scheme worn by USN aircraft at Leyte). The pic of the Avengers does show them to wear the tri-color scheme however. My guess is that the pics bracket Nehenta Bay's early/mid 1945 stateside overhaul, with the Avenger pics being from Typhoon Cobra (assuming that all Nehenta Bay's aircraft would have been in overall Gloss Sea Blue by Typhoon Viper during Okinawa) and the Wildcat pics from Okinawa.
114 posted on 11/16/2010 12:25:45 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

One more trivia item regarding the Nehenta Bay and the Casablanca class CVEs. They were powered by two 5-cylinder reciprocating Skinner Unaflow steam engines, probably designed for Great Lakes steamers. I don’t know of any other class of combat ships that used these, but they were probably a good choice, being more efficient than typical steam turbines of similar horsepower. They could propel the CVEs at 19 knots. Fast enough to trap and recover the FMs and TBMs used in their typical missions.


116 posted on 11/16/2010 1:00:48 PM PST by 19th LA Inf
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To: laxcoach; rlmorel

“Was it, or is it, common practice to setup a freaking zip line between 2 moving ships???”

LOL! Pard that’s called a “highline” and it’s an everyday special sea and anchor detail.

How else do you unrep or rearm? I know we sometimes used vertrep or vertarm where choppers shuttled the stores/arms tween the supply ship and us. But that was more dangerous but more easy on the ship’s company.

Same with personnel transfer.

No big deal. we did it in the dark under red working deck lights, we did it in storms, we did it in the heat we did it in the ice.

As long as the ships can make way and keep station and the decks are not completely awash we could and did do it.

Usually we HAD to. Don’t want to run out of arms, or beans, or fuel do we?

Sailor power pard, sailor power.

Did six active, four on a Seventh Fleet destroyer Vietnam.


117 posted on 11/16/2010 1:23:30 PM PST by warm n fuzzy (Really)
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To: warm n fuzzy

I was always very impressed with the professionalism and expert execution of these events, and I saw many as well. I never saw a highline transfer...I think they were using helicopters all the time by then.

Of course, the one I DIDN’T see was when the JFK and the USS Bordelon ran into each other in the middle of the night right BEHIND me as I slept in the cockpit of my plane! The guy in the silver fire-fighting suit banged on my canopy with a fire extinguisher nozzle to wake me up, and told me I better report in for General Quarters...

Man, you didn’t want to be on a small ship around the Big John, that is for sure.


118 posted on 11/16/2010 1:43:14 PM PST by rlmorel (When charity is mandatory, it becomes servitude.)
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To: rlmorel

I never saw a highline transfer of a man, that is. Saw plenty of the other stuff, though...:)


119 posted on 11/16/2010 1:44:00 PM PST by rlmorel (When charity is mandatory, it becomes servitude.)
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To: rlmorel

Photo #2 looks like the USS Belleau Wood, an 11,000-ton Independence class small aircraft carrier.

She saw a lot of action.

120 posted on 11/16/2010 1:57:45 PM PST by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Time to Clean House.)
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