The only question I now have about the "LA Missile Launch"...

Flight Aware ^ | 11/10/2010 | TMMT

[The Magical Mischief Tour]

The only question I have regarding the proclamation that the "LA Missile Launch" was actually US Air Flight 808 HNL to PHX is this...

Where were all the other contrails at?

NASA Satellite photos of contrails over SE USA...

Over the Pacific Near Japan...

Now... According to...

[Wissa]

UPS902 was on the same exact route just minutes apart from AWE808

Yeah, with that flight path and altitude, I'd expect the trailing part of the contrail to still be in the pictures. Hmmm.

[The Magical Mischief Tour]

How many planes were there out over the ocean, coming in from the direction of Hawaii, at an altitude consistent with overflying the coast?

R578 was eastbound route for that day, there was one about every 10 to 15 minutes according to JEPP-PRO Tracking Software we use.

[kanawa]

But what does he know?

Perhaps the better question is...
What film did the media show him and what portion of that film?

[dools0007world]

Whatever this “phenomenon” was I think we can agree it left a large footprint. If it was a large airliner why am I only seeing one “contrail” and why is it clearly arcing? Large airliners have at least two engines. How many engines did flt 808 or whatever have? Inquiring minds want to know.

[dynoman]

um that second picture is NOT a bad carburetor...

[decimon]

This is becoming absurd.

I asked in another thread how many ships and boats must have been off of that coast and why none on those vessels reported a missile launch in their midst.

[kanawa]

Boeing 757-200 twin engine

[kanawa]

[Finny]

At the same altitude as a plane flying from Hawaii to Phoenix? How high is that, anyway?

[hoyt-clagwell]

Whatever this “phenomenon” was I think we can agree it left a large footprint. If it was a large airliner why am I only seeing one “contrail” and why is it clearly arcing? Large airliners have at least two engines

I live right under a major flight path. The jets fly high enough that both "contrails" just appear as one-due to the distance. I have seen similar contrails over the years as what the news guy filmed, well maybe not exact but very close.

That being said I'm still maybe 10% undecided but I'm pretty much leaning towards the jet theory especially as more info comes out. What is convincing to me is LA is home to 9 million people. Surely someone would have seen and taped more footage or been in a better position to say what actually happened...especially since it happened at 5:00 p.m.

[UCANSEE2]

What is convincing to me is LA is home to 9 million people. Surely someone would have seen and taped more footage or been in a better position to say what actually happened...especially since it happened at 5:00 p.m.

Well, see...... that's the point. People 'in' LA would not see it, especially in the same perspective, as the pilot who took the VIDEO. He was in a helicopter, thousands of feet in altitude, maybe tens of thousands of feet, and was 35 miles from the nearest coastline.

[phockthis]

Apparently the “EXPERTS” aren’t very reliable...

CONFIRMED!!! - missile launch was US.

this was published by the Dept of Defense and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.

coordinates below are in the same area as Monday’s mystery missile!

only question is... why didn’t they just admit it?

No. 45
6 NOVEMBER 2010
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Published Weekly by the
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
Prepared Jointly with the
National Ocean Service and U.S. Coast Guard

434/10(18).

EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC.
CALIFORNIA.
MISSILES.

1. INTERMITTENT MISSILE FIRING OPERATIONS 0001Z TO 2359Z
DAILY MONDAY THRU SUNDAY IN THE NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER
SEA RANGE. THE MAJORITY OF MISSILE FIRINGS TAKE PLACE
1400Z TO 2359Z AND 0001Z TO 0200Z DAILY MONDAY THRU FRIDAY
IN AREA BOUND BY

34-02N 119-04W, 33-52N 119-06W, 33-29N 118-37W,
33-20N 118-37W, 32-11N 120-16W, 31-54N 121-35W,
35-09N 123-39W, 35-29N 123-00W, 35-57N 121-32W,
34-04N 119-04W.

2. VESSELS MAY BE REQUESTED TO ALTER COURSE WITHIN THE ABOVE
AREA DUE TO FIRING OPERATIONS AND ARE REQUESTED TO CONTACT
PLEAD CONTROL ON 5081.5 MHZ (5080 KHZ) OR 3238.5 KHZ (3237 KHZ)
SECONDARY OR 156.8 MHZ (CH 16) OR 127.55 MHZ BEFORE ENTERING
THE ABOVE BOUNDARIES AND MAINTAIN CONTINUOUS GUARD WHILE
WITHIN THE RANGE.

3. VESSELS INBOUND AND OUTBOUND FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA PORTS
WILL CREATE THE LEAST INTERFERENCE TO FIRING OPERATIONS
DURING THE SPECIFIC PERIODS, AS WELL AS ENHANCE THE VESSEL’S
Messages in force 281230Z October 2010:
2010 series 424(18) 431(GEN) 434(18)
403(19) 430(19) 433(19) 435(18,83)

NM 45/10 SECTION III
III-1.8

SAFETY WHEN PASSING THROUGH THE VICINITY OF THE SEA RANGE
IF THEY WILL TRANSIT VIA THE SANTA BARBARA CHANNEL AND WITHIN
NINE MILES OFFSHORE VICINITY OF POINT MUGU OR CROSS THE AREA
SOUTHWEST OF SAN NICOLAS ISLAND BETWEEN SUNSET AND SUNRISE.
4. CANCEL NAVAREA XII 427/10.
(251001Z OCT 2010)

435/10(18,83).
EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC.
HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS.

1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS 0149Z TO 0321Z DAILY
30 OCT THRU 02 NOV IN AREAS BOUND BY:
A. 34-29N 120-40W, 34-31N 120-46W,
34-46N 120-41W, 34-44N 120-34W.
B. 34-07N 120-58W, 34-26N 120-52W,
34-22N 120-36W, 34-03N 120-43W.
C. 13-16N 126-14W, 17-32N 125-20W,
17-24N 124-40W, 13-08N 125-34W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 020421Z NOV.
(261351Z OCT 2010)
436/10 and 437/10. CANCELED.

http://164.214.12.45/MSISiteContent/...tM_45-2010.pdf
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[hoyt-clagwell]

He was in a helicopter, thousands of feet in altitude, maybe tens of thousands of feet, and was 35 miles from the nearest coastline.

It was a news/traffic helicopter and they don't normally go to tens of thousands of feet. Most fly at 2000 feet and I thought he was over LA???? What purpose would a traffic helicopter be 35 miles out to sea??

[Liberty Valance]

“LA Missle Launch” ... I like that. ;o)

[kanawa]

At the same altitude as a plane flying from Hawaii to Phoenix? How high is that, anyway?

37,000 ft

[mad_as_he$$]

Most people in LA are to self absorbed to look up.

[Brett66]

I was waiting for someone to show a comparable contrail on a different day. Thanks, this seems like a reasonable explanation to me now.

[dools0007world]

OK, let’s take your points one at a time:

1. High altitude, one contrail. The footage I saw showed the “phenomenon” at a relatively low altitude—very close (relatively speaking) to the ocean’s surface and arcing skyward.

2. 5PM more people would have seen and possibility filmed it. At that hour most of LA is on the freeways going home from work. They would be hard pressed—given rush hour traffic—to be paying attention to anything but was right in front of them. They would be even more hard pressed to stop, get a digital recording device going and then film the event. Heck, by the time they did all that the “phenomenon” would have faded to almost nothing.

In addition, you have not accounted for the white flame emanating from the tail of the “phenomena”. To see that, let alone film it, the “phenomenon” must be flying at an attitude (from the earth up) to see it. Point one: I’ve never seen a commercial airliner engine exhaust white hot flame at any angle or altitude—let alone at a high altitude. The only thing one sees when viewing high altitude contrails is the contrail plume and that usually forms up well behind the airliner. To wit: There is a gap between the airliner and the visible contrail. There was zero gap between the “phenomenon”, the white hot flame and then the white exhaust.

Now, I’m not a tin foil hat kind of guy. So you don’t even want to go there. On the other hand, those who espouse the
contrail theory are (IMHO) desperate to 1. Not want to believe American security has been compromised to this extent or 2. Cover up something. I don’t believe it was an errant US launch because that would require the complicity of so many people and it would be very difficult to defeat the fail safe protocol. So what does that leave us with? Your thoughts?

[McGruff]

Unless commercial airliners have afterburners I say someone is lying to us.

[mewzilla]

I’ve got one more: Was there a ping trail from this jet or not?