Just Spoke W/ Very Senior Ret. USAF Officer. Says USAF, NORAD, Etc. Have "No Clue" About Missile.

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[MindBender26]

Just spoke with old friend, very senior retired USAF general officer/pilot. Says his contacts, many of whom were his "boys," have no idea what Pacific missile is/was

As I was calling him, he was calling me to run my old network traps to see if anyone at the network desks in NY or DC have any idea what this was!

Data from video seems to be that it was large, ballistic, (not cruise) sub-launched. Course seemed to be trans-polar, so could have impacted in Arctic, Russian Far East, China, etc.

Current guesses... and these are wild guesses (some from the O Club at his lunch)

1: Crazy Russian or Chinese sub captain. No explosion because they didn't want one, or captain did not have correct codes for the PAL.

2: Islamic.......... ????? Demonstration?????

3: Hoax... but that seems way to far fetched.

Navy is also supposedly bat sh*t over this because there was no acoustic detection of sub!

NORAD scratching head ????

There may be an explanation, but no one knows what it was... or is!

[az_gila]

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The video of the missile from yesterday shows an exact opposite contrail. The large spread out contrail at the bottom is closest to the camera. You can also see the missile moving at a speed that you would never see from a large aircraft like a passenger plane.

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The speed may also be an optical illusion.

The TV news helicopter does not have a normal camera - it's gyro stabilized camera can look inside cars from a hover a mile away...:^)

If the camera was on a high zoom - likely given the 35 miles off the coast estimate - then speeds would look amplified if you thought you were looking through a normal lens, rather than a telephoto...

[TigersEye]

Here’s the flight path of one jet that’s been offered as a possibility as far as direction and time:

Then why doesn't the contrail originate to the east of LA? How many active radar systems do you suppose exist in southern CA? Not one has reported an aircraft traveling through their airspace at that time and location?

[Hot Tabasco]

Current guesses... and these are wild guesses

Anybody got any bright ideas?

LOL! No, you got them all.........have you checked in with Michael Rivero?

[Candor7]

I think thats the best theory so far.

[TigersEye]

That theory could be tweaked to add strength to the “too embarrassed to admit it” factor. Instead of a leaking missile we have a mutiny on a boomer. That stretches credulity way out in another direction though.

[BushCountry]

Several seconds from this angle shows a bright glow at the point at the source of the smoke.

[D-fendr]

>>>>Then why doesn’t the contrail originate to the east of LA?

I’m not following you here; do you mean over land? The plane at the link was traveling from Hawaii to Phoenix.

>>>>How many active radar systems do you suppose exist in southern CA? Not one has reported an aircraft traveling through their airspace at that time and location?

The one above would fit the time and approx. location. It could also have been a military plane.

NORAD is saying it’s not a foreign missile. Pentagon is saying it’s not theirs and they don’t know what the video is of.

If it were a missile fired off LA, we would see a totally different military response. There would be ships and planes all over the place, and attack alerts as well. A missile would also have been seen up and down the coast from LA.

The only thing that fits, or the best fit, is a contrail that looked like a missile when viewed from a very narrow arc.

[D-fendr]

>>>Several seconds from this angle shows a bright glow at the point at the source of the smoke.

Could be a reflection.

The other video closeup shows no fire.

[TigersEye]

The plane at the link was traveling from Hawaii to Phoenix.

In that case why doesn't the contrail continue on and cross overhead and then continue on to the east? The contrail in the video obviously begins west of the coast and moves away further west. An aircraft contrail moving east to west, in either direction, does not fit.

[Drago]

I think we can all agree that video from yesterday shows a vehicle moving from east to west away from the CA coast.

 It looks like it is moving South to North to me...cleaner video here:

http://www.necn.com/11/09/10/Mysterious-missile-launched-off-Californ/landing_scitech.html?blockID=348833&feedID=4213

 

Radar archive for SAN (San Diego):

http://www4.passur.com/san.html

 

Right now I am guessing Alaska Airlines #225, Las Cabos, Mexico to San Francisco.

[TigersEye]

If it were a contrail moving parallel to the coast wouldn’t it appear to be parallel and horizontal instead of vertical?

[GOPJ]

LOL - thanks.

[BushCountry]

I agree, just stating that I seen a bright light at the origin of the smoke for several seconds on the closeup videos. I am still mind numbed that they can not say with confidence that it was a jet flying along that flight path. That they said it was harmless when they didn’t have a clue as to what produced the contrail. And still can not say any thing with a moral certitude.

If it is something as innocent as an optical illusion caused by a jet, it is scary that don’t know the flightpath of every plane within 35 miles of L.A.

[TigersEye]

That is a worse video than the one I’ve seen before. The camera is pointed to the west isn’t it? Everyone who saw it is saying they saw it nearly due west of LA.

[Drago]

Try this video at the :45 mark...looks horizontal and parallel at that point.

[hinckley buzzard]

Good point. My guess is that with IdiotBoy off on a junket and the rest of official Washington cleaning out their shorts from the elections, there is a leadership void in Washington. Nobody's talking because nobody's in charge to tell them what to say. That's all I'm sayin'.

[D-fendr]

If it is something as innocent as an optical illusion caused by a jet, it is scary that don’t know the flightpath of every plane within 35 miles of L.A.

I think we can say they do. I'm speculating here, but..

This is a video shot from a TV station helicopter. It's not a scientific observation. What does anyone know about the precise location, time, size, distance, altitude of the object in the video?

And without that, how do you know what the heck you're supposed to be matching it up with?

[Drago]

I couldn’t find a link to better raw video...do you have one?
I assume you have seen these pictures already? Very similar to yesterday’s incident.
http://contrailscience.com/a-problem-of-perspective-in-the-oc-new-years-eve-contrail/

Anyway I am a believer in “Occam’s Razor” (”...the simplest explanation is more likely the correct one.”)
Nobody in DoD has a clue about a “missile” because it is a regularly scheduled airline flight?!??

[TigersEye]

That is the same video you just directed me to. No, it does not look like the contrail is moving parallel and horizontal to the coast.

[bvw]

Scud’s are liquid, simple kerosene and oxygen source. The plume is water. It didn’t have to be a sub. If it was a missile.