Posted on 10/03/2010 5:59:15 PM PDT by Celtic Cross
Recently, I was considering becoming a member of the Libertarian Party. I admit I knew little about the party, except that they are for smaller government. I visited their website, and this is what I found...
The party's views of gay unions and abortion are as follows;
"Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government's treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships."
"Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration."
I know that there are many libertarians here on FR, and I would appreciate it if they weighed in. How can you affiliate yourselves with a party that at least appears to disagree with many basic conservative principles?
The states have every right to outlaw deviant behavior. And did until the 70’s. Homosexual “marriage” is not all they are focused on. We need to clear them OUT of our schools and the courts.
Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I am discrediting anything other than you. Art 1 Sect 8 is very explicit, as is the Bill of Rights.
Are you trying to claim that the Constitution provides for homosexual rights? Please elaborate. Because that is another homosexual talking point. And it does no such thing. You cannot ignore that the men that wrote the Constitution considered homosexual acts to be, in the words of Washington a crime :His Excellency the Commander in Chief approves the sentence and with Abhorrence and Detestation of such Infamous Crimes .
Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I am discrediting anything other than you. Art 1 Sect 8 is very explicit, as is the Bill of Rights.
Are you trying to claim that the Constitution provides for homosexual rights? Please elaborate. Because that is another homosexual talking point. And it does no such thing. You cannot ignore that the men that wrote the Constitution considered homosexual acts to be, in the words of Washington a crime :His Excellency the Commander in Chief approves the sentence and with Abhorrence and Detestation of such Infamous Crimes .
No. It isn't. Over turning Roe V Wade is actually seen as a laudable goal by many in the LP. Others, like myself, believe that if it is human... Killing it is murder.
But don't let that slow down your libel. You seem to enjoy it...
So you don't even have religious dogma on which to base your morality police?
Wow... Magic 8 ball then? Or did you just pick them out of a hat?
Human beings are animals that have SENTIENCE and REASON. You are using the first to the exclusion of the second.
Are you trying to claim that the Constitution provides for homosexual rights?
No. Just equal Rights. Just like Blacks, legal Ukranian immigrants, and people with only one leg all have equal Rights under the Law. I'm also claiming that the Government is one of limited powers given to it by "We the People" in the manner of a written Constitution. None of the powers given to the FedGov allow it to prohibit, or explicitly allow, gay marriage. In fact, as I have already stated, the 1St amendment prevents the FedGov (or the States via Art 6 para 2 and the 10th Amed) from re-writing any religions marriage customs, ceremonies, or religious edicts.
That is, it was like that until the Nanny State and the Commies started allowing the FedGov to act outside of it's Constitutional limitations. Now it's just a jump ball with whatever Party is in power doing pretty much anything it wants.
Not that I think the rather blatant subtleties of what I just posted will be anything but lost on you...
Wow... Magic 8 ball then? Or did you just pick them out of a hat?
You claim to be a pagan. What do you base your morals on?
Again, you are arguing something that I never mentioned. Talk about strawmen arguments.
What do you base your morals on?
Reason. What else am I going to base them on? Someone else's list pulled from a hat?
No. Just equal Rights.
No. Those would be SPECIAL rights. They have the same rights as you do. They can marry anyone of the opposite sex. They can will their money and property to anyone they choose. They can get a power of attorney for anyone to oversee their affairs.
They want homosexuality taught as normal in schools. They want "bias" crime laws which makes them a special, protected group above ordinary citizens. They want the right to "marry" someone of the same sex. Which is impossible btw as two of the same kind cannot mate but only simulate the real thing. Homosexuality is a deviant lifestyle. Deviant is defined as something abnormal. Homosexuality is also a BEHAVIOR. It is not the same as skin color, hair color or eye color.
And I have already pointed out to you that states have had laws against sodomy since the 1700's. Those laws were slowly struck down via homosexual activism. The Constitution has NOTHING to do with this.
Pushing for homosexual rights on FR is taboo.
Agnostics don't believe the existence of a God is provable. Again, I did not bring God into this. You did.
“Abortion is a firm, pure, and unambiguous part of their party platform and the libertarian philosophy.”
Libertarian Party Platform:
1.4 Abortion
Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.
Agnostics don't believe the existence of a God id provable. Again, I did not bring God into this. You did.
Fine. I will just have to remember that I am arguing with a vegetable from now on...
No. Those would be SPECIAL rights.
No such thing. At least, there wouldn't be if you high and mighty moralists hadn't spent the last hundred years carving yourself little perks and tax breaks.
Yes. Homosexuality is deviant. Yes, it is a mental illness. Can never be "normal" as conditio sine qua non is predicated upon male/female biological functions.
And? Maybe we should make religious zealotry a crime as well. It is as much a mental disorder as homosexuality. would that fit your purposes? No? Didn't think so...
Maybe we should just let people well enough alone. That really does seem to work best. You go sit in your corner, they go sit in theirs. Leave the government out of it.
Pushing for homosexual rights on FR is taboo.
If you were capable of understanding what I'm saying, you'd see I'm not. I'm pushing the Constitution and freedom.
Now go be a good little carrot.
I did not bring God into this.
Which still leaves what kind of a hat you pull your morals from. Felt top hat or bowler?
Not exactly a ringing endorsement of abortion on demand as you try to paint it. You do realize that without explicit Federal involvement, abortion would probably be a murder statute in almost every State?
No one is depriving them of any rights.
I have based my posts on history and how the Founders viewed perversion.
Read that again, zero restraint or interference with abortion on demand, zero government, not city, state, or federal, zero interference in any way, by anyone.
Nice going Ace...
Sorry, no. That isn’t what they are saying.
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