Posted on 09/10/2010 12:01:58 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs
A TERRITORY girl is lucky to be alive after she was mauled by a savage dog.
Seven-year-old Meg Croton and her brother Connor, 9, had been feeding their family's dog - an eight-year-old mastiff cross - in their Humpty Doo back yard when the girl was attacked by the vicious hound.
"I tripped on a rock and fell, and I think I kicked his leg," Meg recalled the attack. "And then it hurt very badly and he was on top of me and ripped on my head. "But my brother saved my life."
(Excerpt) Read more at ntnews.com.au ...
Non sequitur after non sequitur. Each time failing to address the issue does not make for debate or entertainment. And its bad propaganda too, because I have no desire on inclination to “prove” anything. So do your own research if you think MY position is inaccurate.
That is if you care to actually address it and take a counter point. So far, all you seem to do is relate your own little stories as if anyone asked or cared.
First: I did not “accuse” anyone of anything. I stated the RISKS associated with the adoption of an unknown animal and directly related that to the responsibility for one’s children. No one was named. No one was accused.
Second: I am not “disapproving of a means to acquire a pet”. Talk about a passive sentence. Either dismiss MY statements directly or IGNORE them entirely. But, do not make them up for me, then try and defeat your made up strawmen.
Third: This is not 4chan, so go find your own information. “pics or STFU” is for 15 year olds on their message boards and is a juvenile tactic. This thread is as good a study as you need. Because the facts fit the case and are self evident. Not withstanding the many other such cases we read here all the time.
Fourth: I do not care who calls you what on what thread or why. This isn’t about you, your feelings or your stories. This is about a dog that attacked a child and the risks towards others who repeat these mistakes and elevate their own risks for their own children.
Start any lists you want. I do not care. Just don’t ping me about it either.
Folks, when was the last time anyone heard of a Doberman bite...beside the movies that is?
Not when you ping me it won’t be.
Happy?
First, what the hell is an "Animal wacko"?
Second, it will simply be ignored by normal pet owners because it is stupid, knee jerk garbage.
You really should learn something on the subject before you spew crap like this.
Of the discussion or you posting stupid garbage?
You can only end one not the other because you sure as hell aren't in charge around here.
Lol, I guess that explains it all.
...yet.
Does it change anything materially if the little girl pulled his tail and poked him with a stick?
A strange dog may react in strange ways. Unknown ways. Risky and dangerous ways. A dog IS an ANIMAL. And that this dog was chained up, relates that it was not trained to know its own limits. A dog trained, does not need a chain. A dog chained, has not been trained. And leaving your children with an unknown, untrained adult dog, without regard to the breed, is dangerous. The breed makes is more so.
A trained dog, raised from a pup with the children, could easily put up with a pulled tail, ears, falls, kicks, and all the behaviors natural to children who play with dogs. An untrained dog is, in and of itself, a dangerous animal. A trained on, only “less” so.
I think Doberman's just scare people out of their wits because of reputation, and they bark a lot and most of them seem pretty hyper.
Yes, the end of the debate. And it seems you prove my point by not even engaging in debate of the issue and resorting to TWO pings as pure attacks when you and I have not yet debated. I have no idea what position you hold.
Well, not exactly true. I do have “some idea”... I mean since you posted right to a set of double personal attacks and did not address ANY issues I have presented. So, that, in and of itself, pretty much is the standard reply for “I disagree and do not like what you said but have nothing to offer of my own so how about I just put out personal insults.”
I mean please.... is this your first rodeo? Or do you think since I am not one of the “regulars” on the dog bites man threads, it is mine?
Proud owner of a BullMastiff here. The instincts of a BullMastiff are to pounce, knock over and subdue. They are cousins to the Boxer and I call it the “Boxing” impulse, because they ALWAYS seem to want to get their paws in on everything and can hit you at inappropriate times with their paws.
A child at a B-day party got confused and ran into the wrong yard. The yard had a BullMastiff. The BullMastiff did what it was bred to do, it knocked the kid over and held him down. During that the child got a claw wound on his scalp. For this the parents insisted the dog be put down. They were SO F*&%$*# lucky it was a BullMastiff and no any other breed of guard dog! Their child would have been mauled and/or killed.
Adopting a grown dog is always a risk. I have Great Danes which I raised from pups. They are extremely gentle with people and other dogs. However I know of two adopted danes that killed small dogs in their new homes. I’ll stick to raising them from pups even though I would love to help homeless dogs.
I can tell you are n00bie without a clue as to how to raise dogs or probably any animal for that matter.
I have as much time for your nonsense as I have for people who think all snakes should be killed on sight.
Finally debating an issue like this with someone like you is no different than showing a chicken a card trick as you simply don’t get it. Everything you have posted is unsubstantiated feelings based neither on fact or experience.
Note, your holier than thou, I speak and you shall listen attitude is going to draw attacks as long time FReepers have seen this behavior from liberals for years.
Now until you can present peer reviewed studies to back up your feelings why don’t you just run along.
I've had 4...and the ONLY aggression I have say from them was toward genuine threat. Occaisionally against each other to establish status and place...but they usually won't even hurt each other. Does sound like total war though
However, in real confrontation they can be extremely danger...the absolute fast agressor on the planet. Determine to kill or be killed. Fearless. They will keep coming when hurt and they are lethal.
Still, they don't make the dog-bite threads.
Exactly. People can take the risk if they know what hey are doing. Small dogs are usually less of a risk because face it, a small dog bite is usually not fatal.
If you have kids you’re just better off getting a puppy, and getting a puppy from known parents etc. But, there will always be bites, and there will always be some fatalities. Parents need to be taught and need to teach their kids how to avoid them too. Most bites and attacks can be avoided (not all) if you know how to predict a dog’s behavior. I have only been bitten a couple of times in all of the years I have owned and trained dogs and almost all of those times I did something careless or stupid.
You said "This will piss off the Animal wackos, but NEVER, Never, never, never, never, adopt an adult dog. Ever. You do not know what behaviors, triggers, emotional baggage the animal carries. Or if it will turn at something totally off the mark. If you want a pet: get a baby animal. A puppy, kitten, chick, whatever. Raise it, train it, care for and nurture it."
I responded by sarcastically agreeing with your opinion and then stating my own, which is that how you own a dog has more to do with it's temperment than the age at which you aquire it.
You re-state your opinion that you have to raise the dog right, from an early age.
I point out that I've not had any problem with adult dogs I've 'adopted'.
You inform me that my opinion means nothing, because I might be lying or I might not be able to recognize aggressive behavior in dogs and anyway my story "has NO bearing, NO impact, NO relevance on the LOGIC and the RISKS associated with the THREEFOLD Problem". You then order your readers in ALL CAPS to NOT TAKE THE RISK WITH YOUR CHILDREN! BE RESPONSIBLE.
I demand you produce the reason you feel your opinion is so much more valid than mine, assuming you must have the kind of scientific proof you dismiss me for not having.
You respond by hedging, accusing my of setting up straw men by quoting you, and inform me that this is not 4chan and if I'm not willing to take your word for it that you're right I had better go do my own damn research because as far as you're concerned "The facts fit and the case is self evident"...IE, you're right because you say so.
I did find that a bizarre bit of geography.
Great use of facts. Well, one fact at any rate. The fact that you continued with your third post of attacks failing to present any debate or any substantive alternate point of view. Please. Try. I’d like to see if you are actually capable of a point of view, any point of view, on this subject.
The you are a “n00b”, and the chickens with card tricks (WTF?), do not truly count as “on topic”.
So, let me help you out: Untrained, unknown adult dogs... safe to bring home to your young children and allow them to “play” with it unsupervised? That a responsible behavior? One you recommend for everyone? 90% of everyone? 51%? Most people gonna do just FINE with that situation? What?
Counter point (just in case you aren’t paying attention): If you want a dog get a puppy. Train it. Teach it. Care for it. Raise it. And if you have or wish to have children, time such a purchase and such training to be age appropriate with your children’s safety as your primary concern. Disagree? Just say so and why.
No “studies” required. Just normal, sane, sober and intelligent discourse.
I won’t be holding my breath, however.
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