Posted on 09/02/2010 10:05:18 AM PDT by nickcarraway
Father arrested for child abuse for confrontation with 5th grader
An angry dad whose son was having problems with a fifth grader at his Hollywood elementary school decided to take matters into his own hands and pulled a stun gun on the frightened 11-year-old.
The incident happened Tuesday afternoon, as classes at Oakridge Elementary at 1507 North 28th Ave. were being dismissed.
According to police, the father, 66-year-old Jose Enrique Guerrero, confronted the fifth grader as he left the school campus, pushing him against a fence and threatening him with the stun gun while holding it inches from his face.
Guerrero allegedly told the boy, "Do you want some of this?"
When officers found Guerrero near the campus, he was wearing the stun gun on his waistband. He was arrested on a felony charge of child abuse.
The 11-year-old told officers he'd been "having problems" with Guerrero's son, according to police.
Neighbors of Guerrero were shocked to learn of his actions, partly because he is a pastor at a local church. he revealed his occupation to a Broward County judge, who was shocked to hear of the father's act of vengeance. "There's clearly more to this story," the judge said.
Physical assault is physical assault.
Is there anything to go on to suggest the underage victim of this assault by an adult committed any physical assault on his son? Not even the testimony of the nutbag father, from what I have seen.
If you have a socially or physically weak child, hovering over them like a helicopter gunship is NOT going to do them any favors. In fact it is behavior like this from parents that I see most often being the cause of them having a socially and/or physically weak child.
So, hey, just ignore it. . .it will all work out in the end. After all, criminals are criminals and there is no need to call the cops or to protect anyone from criminals. . .ooops. . .I thought you were talking about criminals, not bully’s. . .oh. . .maybe what I wrote applies equally to bullys as well because, after all, they are criminals. Sure, life skills are important but there are lines to be drawn to protect the defenseless.
Miami? Dad should get the kid some Brazilian jujitsu classes. Screaming pain usually deters bullies.
“Is it any wonder this guys little poofter 11 year old is getting picked on, if THIS is his father, and THIS is how his father deals with troubles in his son’s life? “
Sweeping generalizations and insults?
Bully much when growing up? I will bet so.
How do you know his son was being beaten? How do you know his son is smaller?
“If you have a socially or physically weak child, hovering over them like a helicopter gunship is NOT going to do them any favors”
Throw them to the wolves. Only the strong deserve to live.
Wonderful heartless approach to life, you have. Just peachy.
I actually offered protection to many friends, being over 6 ft tall and 180 lbs at 16. Never let it be known among the Geek community that you are offering bullying asylum! I became like the freaking Godfather to the Geeks!
But really, it is behavior from parents like this that CREATES bullying victims. Your 11 year old son is having a problem with another 11 year old boy? Do you reach for the Tazer, or do you take your son to Karate class?
Don't know the father, don't know the son. But I do teach 12 year olds every Sunday. There are HUGE differences in these kids. Some of the kids have hit puberty and not only have 6-18 inches, and 20-100 lbs on other kids the same age; they may also have the testostone at levels that make them aggressive. I have one kid who is 12 yrs old, weighs 180 and stands just under 6 ft (I'm 6 ft); I have other kids who are 80 lbs drippign wet and less than 5 ft tall.
Exactly.
You do them no favors by raising them up to be “poodles”.
Teach them to be Lions.
“There fought William Marshall, like a lion among the hounds!” Queen Eleanor of Aquitaine
Schools have absolutely no idea how to deal with bullies. they've been working on the problem for a few centuries, and they have squat.
Children -- yes, children -- should live in fear of angry adults. They need to learn proper behavior. Bullying is not proper behavior. So, some adult has to come along and traumatize the punk.
Totally serious. If my kid came home and told me that someone had tazed them, I'd ask "Why?" and if the answer was "I was bullying their kid" -- I'd taze my kid myself.
And then I'd say "Don't do that, m'kay?"
OK.
Well I’m not going to side with this guy because if he needed a stun gun to intimidate another 11 yr old then there is something wrong with this guy. I made sure my sons were able to take care of themselves but not to use the skills they learned for the wrong reasons. But having personally had to deal with issues like this, I can understand where a parent may get to the point where they feel they have to step in but I don’t know the whole story with this guy. In my case it wasn’t the bully I had to deal with, the school itself became the bully and thats when I stepped in and protected my son.
I totally agree with you.
My son was bothered last year (as was half of the 7th grade) by some brat who thought it was funny to bully the smart kids in the halls. He picked the wrong day to purposely bump my son and my son pushed him onto the floor. The 8th grade bully and my son were both suspended for one day. That little brat never went near my son again. And no, my son was not punished for defending himself. He was rewarded.
Bullies go after the weak. Once you prove you can’t be pushed around, they leave you alone.
We sent our two “nerds” to martial arts class. One of my daughters friends, who had a hand deformity, was being bullied by one of the school jocks.
He stopped after Meg nearly broke his arm and stuffed him in his locker.
The teacher that saw it, said nothing and walked away. I only found out about this a couple years later when the teacher told me.
I've been watching some Dexter reruns lately. I think I have some ideas. But I sold my boat...
/sarcasm
Teach first. All else fails, intervention. Thugs (bully's) these days are not old type, mean and rude and sometimes physical, they are cruel beyond what you and I ever saw when growing up. They are sadists. They are like rabid dogs and need to be put down quickly and forcefully.
Childhood spats and arguments are par for growing up, bully behavior has never been tolerated and never should be.
"My older brother was quite the bully amid the hippie children we grew up among, little 'Moonshadow' never had anybody say anything mean or hateful to them their entire little hippie life; and my brother sought to “correct” that."
You must be so proud that your bully brother had the maturity, insight, compassion and understanding to understand he needed to be a bully to help other shildren, not for himself mind you, but for them. He was gawd of all the other children and duty called. Come on, that was classic narcissist bully behavior and he needed to be put down for his abuse, and that is what bully behavior is, abuse and a crime. The fact you provided "protection" to others proves you know bully behavior is cruel and wrong and criminal, and what if the bullied child has no such protector as you, friend or parent? What then? Hey, I guess that child is simply out of luck and should be culled from the Lord of the Flies herd.
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