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Is Apple the real U.S. PC market share leader -- or soon will be?
BetaNews ^ | Published August 20, 2010, 4:34 PM | Joe Wilcox

Posted on 08/23/2010 4:29:31 AM PDT by Swordmaker

The answer to the question depends on how iPad is classified and how the shipments add up combined with Macs. Is iPad a PC, like Windows tablets or low-powered netbooks? The definition is sure to generate controversy because of what's at stake -- which manufacturer is market share leader in the United States.

Late yesterday, I contacted Gartner and IDC, which both measure global PC shipments. But only Gartner responded to my question about how iPad is classified. It is clear from preliminary second quarter PC shipment data that neither analyst firm calculated iPad with PC shipments (Gartner explicitly explained so in its press release: "Gartner's PC group does not track media tablet sales in this PC shipment data, so iPad sales are not included in these results.") A Gartner spokesperson responded to my question about classification: "We don't have data for this category yet. We hope to have some stats for this category at some time shortly."

But what category is that? Media tablets? Windows tablets have been shipping for years, then there are slate netbooks. Don't these devices count as PCs? If so, then why not iPad? Apple's tablet has a microprocessor, graphics processor and storage disk, runs an operating system and third-party applications and connects to the Internet. That sure sounds like a personal computer to me. There's a touch keypad, or the user can attach a physical keyboard by Bluetooth. If PC classification requires a mouse, well, iPad doesn't have one of those. But should no mouse make iPad no PC?

So I'll ask you, before showing why the classification is so important: What is a PC? Please answer in comments.

In mid July, Gartner and IDC released preliminary worldwide PC shipments. Final numbers should be soon coming, now that Dell and HP announced quarterly results (yesterday). Both analyst firms placed HP No. 1 during second quarter for global PC shipments. HP and Dell ranked first and second, respectively, in the United States. Their rankings were based on estimated shipments. The analyst firms should have had final data from most other PC manufacturers before making the preliminary announcement.

Global Top 5, Gartner

1. HP, 14.455 million
2. Acer, 10.796 million
3. Dell, 10.283 million
4. Lenovo, 8.31 million
5. ASUS, 4.318 million

US Top 5, Gartner

1. HP, 4.608 million
2. Dell, 4.236 million
3. Acer, 2.028 million
4. Apple, 1.749 million
5. Toshiba, 1.565 million

According to Apple's fiscal third calendar-quarter earnings announcement, 3.472 million Macs shipped during calendar Q2. Apple also shipped 3.27 million iPads. If iPad counts as a PC and the numbers are combined, then Apple shipped 6.742 million personal computers during second quarter. That's high enough to raise Apple to No. 5 in global PC shipments.

Figuring US placement is dicier, because publicly-available information is incomplete. Apple announced 2 million iPads sold on May 31, which effectively means through the 30th -- or two days after international sales started. During the last month of the quarter, iPad was available in 10 countries. Apple hasn't released a geographic breakdown of sales and probably won't. The first million units came before Apple opened international sales, which is more than enough to push Apple ahead of Acer and snatch away third place.

But how much of that remaining 2.27 million units went to the United States? If 1.487 million (plus the 1 million for certain), then Apple would match Dell. If 1.859 million (plus the 1 million for certain), then Apple would match HP -- based on Gartner's preliminary data. To match Dell, international sales would be only 783,000 and 411,000 to match HP. However, IDC puts Apple unit shipments lower (1.618 million) and HP and Dell higher (4.721 million and 4.408 million, respectively). Based on those figures, it's unrealistic that Apple would rank any higher than third place. Again, the numbers are not exact. Gartner and IDC released preliminary shipments, and Apple's data stops two days before the quarter ended.

But what about third quarter? Could Apple top Dell or HP? The answer would depend on how iPad is classified. Is it a PC? If, yes, then based on analysts projections for PCs, Macs and iPads, Apple almost certainly could sell more units than HP or Dell in the United States. I've seen Wall Street analysts' iPad shipment estimates range from about 4 million to over 5 million units. Macs: Hovering above 3 million units. Assuming even half the combined Macs and iPads were sold here, Apple would be in striking distance of topping either HP or Dell.

In several previous blogs, I've asserted that iPad is the cheapest Mac that anyone can buy. But should iPad be counted as a PC? Netbooks are PCs, and ASUS recently reduced netbook shipments because of iPad competition. Apple's tablet certainly competes with PCs. Should it be counted as one? You tell me. In comments.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: apple; ipad; tech
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To: MrEdd
Did your PC in 1987 have a WYSIWYG word processor?

Yup! Write.exe under Windows 2.0! (GRIN)

of course, I was using WordPerfect (DOS), and the WYSIWIG preview only came in with 5.0 (1988). I was also using Aldus PageMaker (100% WYSIWIG), and Ventura Publisher under GEM was very popular.

The funny thing is, that in 1989 or so, Apple WAS the biggest individual computer manufacturer, with about 15% of the market, and the education market sewn up. In those days, there were so many viable companies (Everex, AT&T, AST, Northgate, KayPro, and a flotilla of small-timers filling up 700 page tabloid size issues of Computer Shopper) that being the single biggest vendor was not a huge achievement. Only a few years later, Apple was at 3% and in danger of being eclipsed. Microsoft saved Apple's bacon at that point. If it weren't for the Sherman Anti-Trust Law, Apple probably would have wound up being a subsidiary of IBM or Motorola making niche products, or just being a name put on bargain basement devices sold next to the Admiral, Curtis-Mathes and Packard-Bell appliances at the Montgomery Ward.

The only relevant question is whether Apple has a large enough base to have a thriving, supported product line. The answer is absolutely. Their products are great for many people. We don't want to think about what Jobs would charge if it weren't for Microsoft and Droid and HTC. We also don't want to think about what either OS X, Windows or the various Linux front ends would function like without the cross-pollination that has occurred over the last 20 years. I remember the days of having eight different word processors, all with radically different interfaces (F3 for "help" in WordPerfect.) It is a lot easier now, though at the expense of career opportunities for desktop support.

Apple was and is a very important part of it, but they are only part of the show... the flashy wide receiver, not the work horse offensive line. You need both.
21 posted on 08/23/2010 6:56:59 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: DustyMoment
When I called Apple, they would point to the publisher’s init as the problem.

Init and Font conflicts have been a problem since the original Macintosh 128K.

The thing that maddens me about Windows is that Microsoft picks EVRY SINGLE WRONG DEFAULT on install. You could be installing Windows XP SP3 on a 256MB machine running on a 600Mhz processor, and Windows will by default pick all of the visual bells and whistles that slow the computer down.
22 posted on 08/23/2010 7:01:29 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Syntyr

My sister’s husband has all of his flight manuals, maps and NOTAMs on his. Pretty cool device for flight training.

For kids, amazing.
One sister has two nominally autistic kids, and they were able to use it without problem.

Agreed, though.
I can’t imagine that I’d ever replace my PC.

Was gonna buy one, but bought a treadmill instead ;)
Maybe in the next incarnation.


23 posted on 08/23/2010 7:03:57 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: tacticalogic

Exactly.
I buy and install handheld RF terminals that run Windows components, but none of them would ever be called a PC.

However, I’ve run PC tablets and they were definitely PCs. Wish they were more capable, though.


24 posted on 08/23/2010 7:05:44 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: coon2000
I sit by the pool with my iPad, VPN into my server at work and then use VNC to connect to my desktop. I then can do anything by the pool that I can do at my desk, only I am dressed differently. I can sit at the beach and do the same utilizing the 3G network. Find me an 8-bit CPM box from 1981 that can do that.

In 1981, you could have done the same thing with a Lear-Siegler dumb-terminal, a 300 baud acoustic modem, and two very long cables (power and phone line). There might have been some guys with packet radio devioces that could make it wireless. Your legs would be aching from the weight of the dumb terminal.

I didn't say that the iPad wasn't great, I would love to have one! But I have done the same thing with my iPod Touch (using logmein.com). That ability doesn't make it a personal computer. A personal computer is about having everything essential in the device. Connectivity (wireless and graphical) is completely outside of the realm of a PERSONAL computer, which was meant to be self-sufficient.

This wasn't a question of whether IPads, iPods or Macs are great. They are fine. The question is what is a personal computer?
25 posted on 08/23/2010 7:08:31 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Dr. Sivana

I would hate to try to work on a spreadsheet or Quickbooks using a smart phone.

What is essential that is not in an iPad?


26 posted on 08/23/2010 7:21:00 AM PDT by coon2000 (Give me Liberty or give me death!)
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To: coon2000
What is essential that is not in an iPad?

The computer with iTunes that you have to use to set it up.
27 posted on 08/23/2010 7:24:18 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: tacticalogic
We've got ATMs that run Windows

Nobody uses ATMs as computers. People use iPads as computers, there's even an office suite available. But as I said, as long as they remain slave devices to computers they can't be called computers in their own right.

28 posted on 08/23/2010 7:35:36 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: DustyMoment
When an application didn’t work after I installed it, the publisher would point to Apple’s OS as being the problem. When I called Apple, they would point to the publisher’s init as the problem.

Some of the problems with Windows are because Microsoft would be nice to you and suck it up. Even though it was the application's fault (IMHO it usually is), Microsoft would write a hack into Windows to make that one application work. Windows is (at least was) full of such hacks.

29 posted on 08/23/2010 7:43:06 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: MrEdd
Did your PC in 1987 have a WYSIWYG word processor?

WordWriter on the Atari ST.

The Xerox Alto and Star had WYSIWYG in the 70s.

30 posted on 08/23/2010 7:57:41 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Swordmaker

Do PC makers count netbooks as “PCs”? If so, then I see no problem counting the iPad as a PC - as it basically reflects Apple’s idea of a netbook.


31 posted on 08/23/2010 8:08:48 AM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: Nervous Tick; Swordmaker

Most of us consider “fanbois” or any derivative of that to be an attempt to start a flame war.

What about your post contributes to the conversation?

Your vain attempts to disrupt around here is duly noted.


32 posted on 08/23/2010 8:11:37 AM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: TheBattman; Nervous Tick; Swordmaker

The words “Apple fanbois” is a term of endearment. Like that gay movie “The Boys in the Band” ——>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boys_in_the_Band


34 posted on 08/23/2010 8:32:17 AM PDT by dennisw (2012)
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To: TheBattman

Thin skins make good lampshades.


35 posted on 08/23/2010 8:40:53 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: TheBattman; Swordmaker

Hey, you forgot to whine to the mod about my post #8. Remove that one and I’m gone without a trace. No more opposing viewpoint! It’s another sunny day in Cupertino.

I know how important that is to you guys, so go for it.


36 posted on 08/23/2010 8:46:57 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: tacticalogic
We've got ATMs that run Windows, but I doubt anyone's going to count them as PC's.

Uh, actually, they DO count those among total PCs sold and shipped.

37 posted on 08/23/2010 11:21:21 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone!)
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To: VanDeKoik
Let’s count calculators too. Or how about microwaves and remotes controls?

Well actually I think they already do, they call them cash registers.

38 posted on 08/23/2010 11:25:38 AM PDT by itsahoot (We the people allowed Republican leadership to get us here, only God's Grace can get us out.)
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To: Swordmaker

:lol:

What’s next, classifying the ipod as a personal computer? What about an iphone?

When you can’t beat em, change the rules.


39 posted on 08/23/2010 11:55:43 AM PDT by BenKenobi (We cannot do everything at once, but we can do something at once. -Silent Cal)
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To: Swordmaker
Uh, actually, they DO count those among total PCs sold and shipped.

Can you tell me who "they" are, that are doing this?

40 posted on 08/23/2010 12:44:06 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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