Posted on 08/16/2010 8:00:56 AM PDT by Pessimist
My 2nd and last vanity (I promise!)
I'd be interested in hearing other's thought regarding the constitutionality of existing CCW laws.
Should a person be required to undergo training and pay licensing fees to ejoy a consitutional right?
Should I be allowed to put a sign on our building stating "No Equal Opportunity Allowed Inside"?
I assume you have a cite for this? Or is it just being pulled from thin air? If the Founders felt as strongly about it as you suggest, they could have easily changed the wording of the Amendment.
They didn't.
You are wrong.
“We have a right to know that person is legal or not.”
That is total Bull $hit!
Everyone is legal - the constitution says that the right that God gave us shall not be infringed.
Your crazy ideas are infringing everyone’s rights.
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Navy base in Norfolk.
They always have periodic, random traffic stops a couple times a year where I live.
Foreigners, Illegal aliens and felons do not have a legal right to carry a weapon in the US, do they?
My ideas do not have any effect on anyone.
This is AF. Maybe what’s going on at this base isn’t as sensitive. I do know that to go on certain areas, you have to undergo additional scrutiny, and in some cases even be continuously with an armed escort. But for the general areas, it’s just sign in, drive through the tunnel and you’re good to go.
What I was thinking but failed to say was that even in the additional-scrutiny areas I haven’t been subjected to a vehicle search, just more paperwork and carrying more creds with you. I haven’t been into the armed guard areas yet. They may not even allow you to bring your own vehicle in those areas.
“Foreigners, Illegal aliens and felons do not have a legal right to carry a weapon in the US, do they?”
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Since the right was God-given, I’d say that all but the invaders have that right here. (except felons in jail).
If we allow a God given right to be tampered with by tyrants, we surrender that right.
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Aren’t we talking about legal rights?
> I would say open carry is the constitutional right, rather than concealed carry. I’ve read court cases from the 1800’s, and open carry was not really disputed but concealed carry was deemed not to fit the definition of “bearing arms”. <
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Utter nonsense!
At the time the constitution was written, all polite carrying was concealed, and carrying a weapon openly was considered rather boorish.
How to carry a weapon is the choice of its owner.
Stop trying to give my rights away.
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Are you allowed to possess personal weapons on the base? No personal weapons are allowed on any military base in the Norfolk area. All vehicles are subject to search.
There is no such thing as a “legal” right in the US; all rights are God given.
You live by Media driven fiction.
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I don't know. I've never been given any sort of manual on the rules. I doubt if you can. No base where I was ever familiar with the rules allowed personal firearms, so I always make sure I don't have any when I go there.
As far as the vehicles, I'm sure they probably ARE "subject to search" (for example pending what they find in that sensor tunnel, plus probably random searches as well). You said that at Norfolk, the vehicles actually are all searched, which is a different animal.
Right, ok
Normally it’s a random search, but I have seen times when they are all searched. There is a sign posted at every gate stating that it is illegal to bring a weapon on the base. That is why I haven’t bothered to renew my license when I moved from FL. Besides, just one less data base to be a member of.
Once it becomes a License it is no longer a right but a granted “Taxed” permission. All CCW laws should be abolished. The only stated laws should be where you are allowed to carry with very few common sense limits. Obviously private property should be left up to the owners wishes.
There’s a little buffer parking area at the outside end of the sensor tunnel, and you sometimes see a security guy or two walking around among the cars and trucks waiting to get in. I’ve seen guys with utility beds going around opening all the compartments and leaving them open. I don’t know whether in prep for a possible real search or if the “search” consists of the security guy walking past at full speed and glancing in the compartments. I have a pickup and I have a cross-bed box on about 90% of the time, and I’ve never opened it, been asked to open it, or had my ass chewed for failing to have it open beforehand.
You're absolutely right.
“Obviously private property should be left up to the owners wishes.”
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Unless it is a commercial public gathering place. In such locations the combined rights of the majority must be respected.
When working at the Concord Naval Weapons Station, I’ve had the sentry open a bed cover, and also look behind the seat.
The only thing that they ever seemed to care about was cameras, always had to leave them in the security office.
Similar situation at the Livermore National Laboratory, except that at certain times camera permits were issued there, depending on where we were working.
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