Shotgun does it for me....
Posted on 08/11/2010 5:10:45 AM PDT by marktwain
Capt. John Raguso keeps threatening to send us a review of Kel Tec’s smokin’ SUB-2000 9mm carbine. Today, Hi-Point Carbines drops the news that their long awaited .45 ACP rifle is ready to rock and roll. These handgun-caliber carbine may be gaining favor over the venerable 12-gauge as the weapon of choice for hom defense. And for good reason. In fact, here are four. . .
1. Less recoil than a shotgun
While home defense shotguns put an awful lot of lead downrange with a single trigger squeeze, shooters pay the price with a big ole’ wallop to their shoulder. That’s no big thing for big people who’re comfortable with firearms (who may, in fact, like the kick). And in the heat of battle, who cares? But if a gun is formidable to fire (i.e. painful), its owners are FAR less likely to practice. If they don’t, they will not be confident and accurate.
Even in .45 ACP, handgun-caliber carbines have minimal recoil, relatively speaking. The lower recoil makes the rifles far more attractive to women, teens and (let’s be honest here) small-framed men. They can also put a lot of lead downrange. BONUS! Quick mag changes are easier than reloading a shotgun.
2. Quieter than a shotgun
The state prohibitions against silencers really piss me off. (Somebody was watching way too many spy movies.) Meanwhile, shotguns are ridiculously, enormously loud. While a handgun caliber carbine will make plenty of noise, a shooter stands a chance of being able to hear something after firing—which could save their life. Comparing the two firearms genres, handgun caliber rifles will definitely reduce a shooter’s chances of permanent, perhaps even catastrophic hearing loss.
3. Better than a handgun
So’s a shotgun. But again, there are plenty of people who find shotguns intimidating. In that sense, handgun caliber carbines hit the sweet spot. Thanks to the carbines longer sight radius, they’re easier to aim than a handgun, And more intimidating (i.e. visible)
Handgun caliber carbines increase bullet speed and, thus, penetration. Hi-Point says their .45 ACP’s longer barrel increases velocity figures between 80-200 FPS (feet per second) over a like-chambered handgun.
4. Less expensive
To my way of thinking, a semi-automatic weapon is the best home defense shotgun. A good one costs the thick end of a grand. This Hi-Point .45 ACP Carbine costs $330. The SUB-2000 goes for $409.
I love shotguns. But the handgun caliber carbines may be better for more people. The market will speak.
Specifications for Hi-Point .45 ACP Carbine:
Price: $330 MSRP Finish: Special high-durability black powder coat Stock: Black molded polymer-(with standard upper and lower Picatinny rails). Barrel length: 171/2-inches Overall length: 33-inches Weight: 71/2-pounds. Magazine capacity: 9-rounds. Sight: Adjustable front post and adjustable rear (ghost ring) Warranty: Lifetime on parts and labor that follows the gun. Manufacturer: Hi-Point of Mansfield Ohio-every part is made in the U.S.A. Factory affordable options are available: Folding grip, laser, scope sight, etc.
Shotgun does it for me....
I thought the M3 submachine gun was dubbed “grease gun” . Not the Thompson.
If you have waited that long to charge the weapon you have waited way too long.
WTF is that?
” Cycling any type of gun tends to give away your position. I personally do not think that is a good idea. “
I, personally, do not think storing a gun, or any weapon, “in battery” is a particularly good idea....
I view it as a higher capacity PF-45 Liberator.....use it once and get an upgrade from the opponent.
Interesting thread. We have been trying to decide on a home defense weapon, and were told by LEO that a shotgun is best. Then someone said that a shotgun is not good because of what one poster said- barrel could be grabbed, makes a mess in your house with the spray, the noise it makes as you chamber the shell alerts the BG (for the good or bad!).
So confusing.
I had a bear try to break in one night. I think a 45 will only make a bear intruder mad. I am waiting on a 870 riot gun with a short barrel. I have a 45 Colt for two leg intruders.
I’ll second that, the pistol whould be at your side no matter what ‘long gun’ one has.
I have a SPR AR that’s for ‘perimeter’ defense since I live on a large lot. Do you have a EOTech or Airpoint on your’s?
Depends on what you've got chambered. Using what most people use (00Buck) you are right, but I keep both of my Benelli M1 Super 90s loaded #1 Buck. It is proven to be a better option for home defense as it puts more energy on target with slightly less chance of wall penetration than 00.
You may be right, I have whats called a “trench gun” or riot shotgun, its a 1933 Winchester Model 11, looks just like a Browning humpbacked A5 auto 12. Has a cut down barrel and stock.
Absolutely. Never bring an unloaded gun to a gunfight.
Makes it much more likely to be able to defuse a situation without having to fire a shot....
. . . which makes me wonder if I don't want an actuator mechanism which can be concealed somewhere and triggered remotely to produce that sound.Intruder hears sound, cannot locate the source, loses confidence in his ability to control the tactical situation, departs.
Anyone makes it past him, gets a .45 lead sandwich door prize dispensed from a m1911.
-—these “home defense” threads usually end up full of , uh—hot air—
That looks like the perfect home defense weapon.
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