Posted on 07/21/2010 10:57:35 AM PDT by A Navy Vet
What will you do when push comes to shove? Will you accept the marxist slavery or will you fight!?
I don’t care if you continue this post or not.
While I appreciate your sincerity, the fact is that all your highway-walking and Constitution-printing accomplished nothing. I’m sorry that you’ve invested so much in a pointless effort to prop up a house built upon sand.
I would suggest that from henceforth you commit all your time and resources into strengthening yourself, your family, and your church or religious community in order to survive the fall of the current social and political order.
I grew up in the 60’s too. I grew up a liberal and was able to turn from the dark side. It took me long enough! LOL.
So here I am, in my 50’s, learning how to shoot and actually contemplating civil insurrection to take our country back. Good Lord Almighty!
So, I take your thanks reluctantly. I am new(ish) to the fight. But like a reformed smoker who can’t abide smokers, I am a reformed liberal who abhors liberals of all stripes. Maybe my fight now will make up for the years of living in delusion....
I'll bet you a hundred bucks right now that the current political order will remain intact on 1 January 2011 no matter who wins the November election. Hell, I'll bet you a hundred that nothing will happen even if they cancel the November elections.
Learn a lesson from history my friend, only 3 percent of the American colonists fought the British army...a full 25-30 percent of the colonist actively supported the Brits...and by the end of the war, more Americans were fighting on the British side than on the American side...and yet we (the Americans) still won our independence.
You are making the same fundamental mistake that they will make...thinking the 3 percent will hide and wait to be rounded up, and nothing could be further from the truth. Using your army helicopter example, it will have to land sometime, and the fuel will have to come from somewhere.
But I suspect that many people (perhaps yourself) will be like 25 percent of the colonists and support either side depending on the fortunes of war. For them, I give that great line out of the movie Sliverado..."Hide and watch."
But I tell you this: We will not go gently into that bloody collectivist good night. Indeed, we will make with our defiance such a sound as ALL history from that day forward will be forced to note, even if they despise us in the writing of it.
And when we are gone, the scattered, free survivors hiding in the ruins of our once-great republic will sing of our deeds in forbidden songs, tending the flickering flame of individual liberty until it bursts forth again, as it must, generations later. We will live forever, like the Spartans at Thermopylae, in sacred memory.
-- Mike Vanderboegh, The Lessons of Mumbai:Death Cults, the "Socialism of Imbeciles" and Refusing to Submit, 1 December 2008
First: By engaging in a personal attack, you violated the posting guidelines.
That didn't sound like a personal attack.
I could hit the Homo Button and report you, but unlike you I'm only attracted to the opposite sex,...
There is no question that that is a personal attack.
You want the system to change?
RUN FOR OFFICE.
Attend Tea Parties
Write letters to the editor
Talk to co-workers about what's happening.
Join a conservative organization
Go Galt
COME UP WITH BETTER IDEAS.
Counter liberal liars - here and in the world.
Volunteer for a campaign.
And then Pleeeze tell me what you would do with guns and ammo? Spell it out.
That is what they are counting on. You and your type cowering at the Federal boot. If a state(s) secede, The HUGE state militias that would immediately form would prevent any fed incursion. The other states wouldn't have the political will to invade. No, it isn't going to work the way you think. Learn it. Stop licking the Federal boot.
Your cowardly Federal boot licking attitude makes me sick. The feds are counting on chicken sh1ts with your attitude. The republic is dead if you are any indication.
Tell me iceskater, just WHO are you thinking of shooting? Are you nuts?
Learn a lesson from history my friend, only 3 percent of the American colonists fought the British army...a full 25-30 percent of the colonist actively supported the Brits...and by the end of the war, more Americans were fighting on the British side than on the American side...and yet we (the Americans) still won our independence.
Actually, our independence was a gift from His Majesty King Louis XVI of France. During the winter of 1776-1777, Washington and the Colonials were on the ropes. The ragtag American army of armed farmers and militiamen was being murdered inch by inch by the King's regulars and his Hessian mercenaries. The events of Valley Forge are well-known examples of the dire straits Washington was in. Without the millions of livres in ammunition and other supplies provided to the fledgling United States by the King of France during that period, it's likely that the British would have defeated the Continental Army.
After the Colonials won big at Saratoga, the French formally entered the war, supplying men (including ground troops), materiel, and a large naval force, the latter of which was instrumental in bringing the British to bay at Yorktown.
So you see that whole myth of the plucky rebels who beat the Empire by firin' from behind every barn and tree stump is just that — a myth. The truth is that the United States probably would have lost the war had not France and Spain, the other two global superpowers of the day, come across with men, money and supplies. The same is true today: if your rebellion can convince the Chinese to jump in on your side, you might actually have a chance of winning against FedGov. But on your own, Wolverine style? Forget it. They'll chop your forces up like hamburger. Our army is very good at fighting insurgents. They wiped out the Iraqi "freedom fighters", and those guys were as tough as camel leather. Up against weak-ass American softies it wouldn't even be a contest.
You are making the same fundamental mistake that they will make...thinking the 3 percent will hide and wait to be rounded up, and nothing could be further from the truth. Using your army helicopter example, it will have to land sometime, and the fuel will have to come from somewhere.
Yes. It will land at a secure base in the rear, on a pad guarded by heavily armed MPs and contractors with black ski masks. The fuel will come through a pipeline (similarly guarded), or in a convoy of trucks (accompanied by helicopters and AFVs.) There it will be refueled, re-armed, and will take off again to "do unto others". And by "others", I mean "the Free Republic Liberation Army", or whatever.
But I suspect that many people (perhaps yourself) will be like 25 percent of the colonists and support either side depending on the fortunes of war. For them, I give that great line out of the movie Sliverado..."Hide and watch."
If it ever comes to that, God forbid, I'm not going to be watching anything. I'm going to be down on my bony knees on a hardwood floor begging God to protect my family from the madness.
Thank you kindly for your prompt and courteous reply. Now that I understand you are a papal monarchist, it all becomes quite clear. You are apparently still laboring under the very wrong impression that our Republic is founded on the faulty foundation of Enlightenment rationalism, that the FounderThank you kindly for your prompt and courteous reply. It speaks volumes. Now that I understand you are a papal monarchist, it all becomes quite clear. You are apparently still laboring under the amazingly wrong impression that our Republic is founded on the faulty foundation of Enlightenment rationalism, that the Founders were all deists or atheists using god talk as a mere motivational tool, whilst true believers such as yourself knew all along the lack of a Roman foundation predicted ultimate failure. Something like that?
I understand your confusion. It was a difficult and complex transition. However, I would think you would recognize the common ground here. Augustine and Aquinas laid a good foundation in natural law; Locke merely built upon it (and others, hence the awkward mixture you probably find so distasteful). There’s your deeper bedrock for the positive principles of our Declaration and its natural compliment, the Constitution.
But I think the real problem you have is those pesky Reformers, those crusty old Scottish Presbyterians, who, in their fierce adherence to Biblical principles, rejected the papacy and adopted instead an ecclesiology that was fundamentally a constitutional form of church government, which asserts without apology that *all* humans are under the law, whether kings or popes or vandals, because only God is God. This is the fire that burned the path to our own Constitution, and it is the secret of its strength.
And if it is truly your intention to “watch the Final Four” while your fellow citizens are whisked away one at a time in the dark of night for a rebellion of conscience against the dictator de jour, I have no need of inquiring what principles you would offer in the place of those our Founders gave us. Thank you for your time.
s were all deists using god talk as a mere motivational tool, whilst true believers such as yourself knew all along the lack of a Roman foundation predicted ultimate failure. Something like that?
I understand your confusion. It was a difficult transition. However, I would think you would recognize the common ground here. Augustine and Aquinas laid a good foundation in natural law, and Locke built upon it (and others, hence the awkward mixture you probaly find so distasteful). There’s your deeper bedrock for the positive principles of our Declaration and it’s compliment, the Constitution.
But I think the real problem you have is those pesky Reformers, those crusty old Scottish Presbyterians, who, in their fierce adherence to Biblical priciples, adopted an ecclesiology that was a constitutional form of church government, which *intentionaly* recognizes that *all* humans are under the law, whether kings or popes or vandals, because only God is God. This is the fire that burned the path to our own Constitution, and it is the secret of its strenth.
And if it is truly your intention to “watch the Final Four” while your fellow citizens are whisked away one at a time in the dark of night for a rebellion of conscience against the dictator de jour, I have no need of inquiring what principles you would offer in the place of those our Founders gave us. Thank you for your time.
It's all just a bunch of stupid, adolescent B.S. Thanks for being one of the few grownups left on FR.
Um, I didn’t clear the edit box properly. My bad. Here’s the post the way I meant it:
Thank you kindly for your prompt and courteous reply. It speaks volumes. Now that I understand you are a papal monarchist, it all becomes quite clear. You are apparently still laboring under the amazingly wrong impression that our Republic is founded on the faulty foundation of Enlightenment rationalism, that the Founders were all deists or atheists using god talk as a mere motivational tool, whilst true believers such as yourself knew all along the lack of a Roman foundation predicted ultimate failure. Something like that?
I understand your confusion. It was a difficult and complex transition. However, I would think you would recognize the common ground here. Augustine and Aquinas laid a good foundation in natural law; Locke merely built upon it (and others, hence the awkward mixture you probably find so distasteful). There’s your deeper bedrock for the positive principles of our Declaration and its natural compliment, the Constitution.
But I think the real problem you have is those pesky Reformers, those crusty old Scottish Presbyterians, who, in their fierce adherence to Biblical principles, rejected the papacy and adopted instead an ecclesiology that was fundamentally a constitutional form of church government, which asserts without apology that *all* humans are under the law, whether kings or popes or vandals, because only God is God. This is the fire that burned the path to our own Constitution, and it is the secret of its strength.
And if it is truly your intention to “watch the Final Four” while your fellow citizens are whisked away one at a time in the dark of night for a rebellion of conscience against the dictator de jour, I have no need of inquiring what principles you would offer in the place of those our Founders gave us. Thank you for your time.
What?
“those pesky Reformers” = heretics
“those crusty old Scottish Presbyterians” = spiritual rebels
“their fierce adherence to Biblical principles” = their prideful adherence to their own personal interpretation of Scripture
But this is pointless. Believe whatever you want, FRiend.
We MUST MUST MUST get our nation's children OUT of the government K-12 schools and into conservative PRIVATE schools that fully integrate Judeo Christian belief and our nation's founding principles into every minute of every school day!
We MUST work to shut down our government K-12 schools. They are the very essence of socialism! They have **ALWAYS** been socialism. Just by attending children learn that government has enormous power to take money from a neighbor to pay for a service their parents want for tuition-free. Well?...DUH!..If government can use its police power to give a kid free school why not a thousand other socialist programs?
Government schools ( which have ALWAYS been socialism) made Franklin D. Roosevelt and now Obama utterly inevitable!
Get our nation's kids into conservative private schools and in a few short years our colleges will be filled to the brim with students capable of defending their faith and their nation. Their Marxist professors would wither before their righteousness. Conservative clubs would abound on our nation's campuses. In a few more short years these students would be taking their places in academia, the media, arts, politics, and other culture shaping institutions.
In my opinion, **all** of the socialist dysfunction we suffer today can be traced directly to having opened socialist-modeled government schools in the mid-1800s to early 1900s.
South Alabama,BS is not allowed,,,,,with some.Who’s Taylor Swift?
One other thing,,,We still trust and verify here cuz.
Keep waiting. You are asking people how far they are willing to go toward civil war and you point to anti-Clinton protests as your bona fides? That’s rich.
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