Cherokees Spoke Greek and Came from East Mediterranean

DNA Consultants ^ | 17 June 2010 | Donald N. Yates

[Palter]

Possum Creek Stone and Anomalous Cherokee DNA Point to Eastern Mediterranean Origins

In memoriam Gloria Farley

Donald N. Yates

DNA Consultants

Keynote address for Ancient American History and Archeology Conference, Sandy, Utah, April 2, 2010

SUMMARY  Three examples of North American rock art are discussed and placed in the context of ancient Greek and Hebrew civilization. The Red Bird Petroglyphs are compared with Greek and Hebrew coins and the Bat Creek Stone. The Possum Creek Stone discovered by Gloria Farley is identified as a Greek athlete’s victory pedestal. The Thruston Stone is interpreted as a record of the blending of Greek, Cherokee, Native American, Egyptian and Hebrew civilization. Keetoowah Society traditions, as captured in The Vision of Eloh’, are adduced to confirm a general outline of the origins of the Cherokee people in a Ptolemaic Greek trans-Pacific expedition joining pre-arriving Greeks, Jews and Phoenicians in the Ohio Valley around 100 c.e.  Recent DNA investigations showing Egyptian, Jewish and Phoenician female lineages and the Y chromosome of Old Testament Priests among the Cherokee are also touched upon. Greek words and customs in the Cherokee are reviewed as time permits. Slide projector requested.

A cave entrance overlooking the Redbird River, a tributary of the South Fork of the Kentucky River in Clay County, Kentucky in the Daniel Boone National Forest, has inscriptions which according to Kenneth B. Tankersley of the University of Cincinnati display a nineteenth-century example of writing in the Cherokee syllabary. A local resident (Burchell) recognizes Greek writing in one inscription (called Christian Monogram #2) but his reading is unsatisfactory for a number of reasons. Evaluation by experts in Greek and Semitic epigraphy identifies two distinct inscriptions, one in Greek and one in Hebrew.  They appear to be contemporaneous with the Bat Creek Stone unearthed in the 1889 excavation of a tomb in East Tennessee by Cyrus Thomas of the Smithsonian Institution.

Another record of Greek-speaking people in ancient America is the Possum Creek Stone, discovered by Gloria Farley in Oklahoma in the 1970s. It is discussed by her in Volume 2 of In Plain Sight as proof that the man history knows as Sequoyah did not invent the Cherokee syllabary.  The inscription can be read as Greek, HO-NI-KA-SA or ‘o nikasa, i.e. “This is the one who takes the prize of victory,” a common inscription for the pedestal upon which victors were crowned at athletic games.  The use is Homeric, and the spelling Doric.

A third piece of evidence helps fill in the background of the arrival of Greeks and their intermarriage with Asiatic and other Indians in North America. In 1870, an engraved 19 x 15 inch limestone tablet was uncovered in a mound excavation on Rocky Creek near Castalian Springs in Sumner County, Tennessee (see Ancient American, vol. 12, no. 77). Dating to an earlier time than its Mississipian Period context, it commemorates a peace treaty between the Cherokee and Shawnee. The Cherokee chief wears a horse-hair crested helmet and carries the spear and shield of a Greek hoplite. His Shawnee adversary clasps hands in a wedding ceremony with a Cherokee woman who bears wampum belts as a pledge of peace, has her hair in a maidenly bun, wears a Middle Eastern-style plaid kilt, and displays a large star of David. In the Red Record or Walam Olum, we learn that before crossing the Mississippi, somewhere along the south bank of the Missouri, the Algonquians or Lenni Lenape (Delaware Indians), who are later allied with the Cherokee, encounter a foreign tribe they call the Stonys. Cherokee legends about Stone-coat demonstrate that the original Cherokee had metal armor and weapons. DNA studies confirm a mixture of “anomalous” East Mediterranean mitochondrial lineages such as Egyptian T, Greek U and Phoenician X with “standard” American Indian haplogroups A, B, C and D in the Cherokee and certain other Eastern Woodlands Indians.

To sum up, the Red Bird Petroglyph is a Greek inscription from the 2nd to 3rd century c.e., not a crude Cherokee scratching of around 1800 as announced recently by the Archeological Institute of America and the New York Times. It occurs above what is, in all likelihood, an inscription in Maccabean-era Hebrew. The Sequoyan syllabary for which these Greek and Hebrew inscriptions were mistaken originated in the Greek world of the Bronze Age along with other syllabaries like Linear A, Linear B and Cypro-Minoan. The Cherokee language, which today is Iroquoian, is the result of a relexification process in the distant past. It contains many relics of words of Greek origin, especially in the area of government, military terminology, mythology, athletics and ritual. Cherokee music also reflects Greek origins.  The Cherokee Indians are, quite literally, the Greeks of Native America.

Possum Creek Stone and Anomalous Cherokee DNA Point to East Mediterranean Origins (PPT)

Greek Words and Customs in Cherokee

Greek		Meaning	Cherokee	Meaning
alomenoi dakos dasis tynchana etheloikeoi* gennadas huios Dios illo, illas* kakotechneo kanon karanos kateis* kerux mona* neika* Ogyges ouktenna oulountata skia stix tanawa* (hoi en) telei theatas* theatron Thrax typho	wanderers (in a hopeless sense) noxious, devouring beast, whale hairy, shaggy like a beast things that befall volunteer settlers noble Son of Zeus (title of Herakles) wrap, twist; rope base arts, perjury, fraud straight-edge used by athletes a chief assembly herald stopping place, way-station contest titan of Greek mythology one not killed declared healthy ghost, shade abominable astronomical instrument those in authority spectator in a play theater, assembly  Thracian raise a smoke, make sacrifice	eloh’; elohi dakwa dachi tikano eshelokee kanat(i) Su-too Jee kilohi kaktunta kanuga Koranu** cahtiyis skarirosken** mona anetcha Ootschaye Uktena oolungtsata atchina Stichi Tchlanua tilihi tetchata tetchanun tchaskiri** Tathtowe,   Tistoe	migrants, wanderers; earth mythic great fish hairy water monster history Cherokee; original people doctor, hunter mythic strong man twisted hair clan (cf. Hawaiian hilo) taboo regulation scraper used by ballplayers war chief title assembly house speaker, herald land where the Elohi tarried ballplay rival of Sutoo Jee (Herakles) name of a dragon or serpent divining crystal for health ghost; cedar name of dangerous serpent Great Hawk brave, warrior Playful Cherokee fairy ceremonial enclosure sorcerer, Stoneclad ceremonial title; firecracker  (smoke) bringer (Santa Claus)

[Vendome]

This was supposedly delivered as a keynote speech for a conference, I cannot find:

Ancient American History and Archeology Conference, Sandy, Utah

Did he really?

[svcw]

He might have. I mean he says so on his web site.
Sandy, UT also known as Sandy City, UT is famous for arm wrestlers and Elizabeth Smart.

[Pyro7480]

LOL! The Dad in that movie was hilarious.

[Vendome]

Well, I am done looking for this “supposed” conference but the story, with it’s implausible narrative and fishy credentials seems like a scam and part of “Ancient Mormon Travel” Businesses.

[RichInOC]

“’Cause you, you’re part eggplant.”

[Palter]

I'm not a mormon, but I find things of this nature interesting. I didn't know his ‘bias’ or any, I just stumbled upon his article.

Info on his conference, etc. It does look, LDS.
http://www.ldspromisedland.com/index.php?showpage=schedule.php

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

Sixkiller eye chart

[Vendome]

No problemo. It was just so easy to spot. LDS is writing their own scientific narrative to prove their existence in North America.

All of this comes with co-opting ancient and past societies who are unable to make any oppositional declaration regarding their history or interaction with “Other Peoples”.

I get why they do it, for profit and to legitimize their claims, however, there is no way to legitmize those claims without excavating a certain hill in New York, which they won’t, ever.

They seem to be adventuring further south in the hopes they can use known peoples to support their claim but invented coincidences are not going to get them their vaunted dreams.

Greek isn’t going to ever be compared to Creek and this article goes a step further by attempting to de-legitimize Sequoyah and his work in bringing the interpretation of the Cherokee language to the United States Government.

That same language is still spoken throughout Cherokee County, Oklahoma and is understood from using our alphabet.

That’s the short story.

I am from Hulbert, OK and lived in Tahlequah.

Quickest way to discover someone is from elsewhere is when they pronounce Tahlequah or Tsa-La-Gi.

I was incensed by the premise of the article and it’s first paragraph alone set my blood pressure a little higher.

It is akin to robbing someone of their dignity and pride, surely not something the Cherokee or any other tribe need ever experience again.

Further, the Shawnee and Cherokee probably did not interact much as the Shawnee were located further north from the Cherokee. It could be they signed a peace treaty, on a rock. But, where it was located doesn’t make sense and there would be corroborating evidence from the Cherokee, or should be. There isn’t.

It just doesn’t seem plausible there interaction would give rise to something so significant as a peace treaty, considering the Cherokee where peaceful, compared to other Native American tribes. They did allow other bands of tribes to find refuge on Cherokee land and that is a testament to the generosity and benevolence of the Cherokee.

Don’t let us dissuade you from posting interesting articles

[Vendome]

That was a hilarious scene!

[afraidfortherepublic]

All of the DNA evidence shows that ancient Americans came from the far eastern pacific rim.

Does it? I thought that recent discoveries shot holes in that theory.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks!

[SunkenCiv]

The Atlantis story in Plato has the Greeks invaded by the Atlanteans, so, no. :’)

[SunkenCiv]

:’D

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks!

[SunkenCiv]

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[afraidfortherepublic]

Fascinating. Has anyone else corroborated these connections? If this is proven it will surely change history — or not, if the politically correct police continue to hold education hostage.

The last picture in the slide show, a Morrocan athlete ID’d as “Berber”, reminds me of Yul Brynner.

[wardaddy]

very good...damn he does look sorta like a Plains Indian in that getup..

Anne Bancroft RIP

[zot]

Thanks for the ping. I am not persuaded.

[Vendome]

then be persuaded not.... /s

[blam]

In one of those slides, they listed someone named Joan Stiles Riddle. .