Posted on 05/04/2010 5:12:37 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
There is renewed alarm about the possibility of an EMP attack – electromagnetic pulse – on the United States because of Iran's work on a multi-stage Space Launch Vehicle, according to a report from Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.
And experts forecast if such an attack were a success, it effectively could throw the U.S. back into an age of agriculture.
"Within a year of that attack, nine out of 10 Americans would be dead, because we can't support a population of the present size in urban centers and the like without electricity," said Frank Gaffney, president of the Center for Security Policy. "And that is exactly what I believe the Iranians are working towards."
A recent launch of an SLV by Iran has sparked renewed concern of an attack that could send an electromagnetic pulse powerful enough to wipe out computer controls for systems on which society has come to rely, officials say.
As the G2 Bulletin reported last week, Ronald Burgess, director of the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency, revealed that Iran successfully launched a multi-stage SLV, the Simorgh. The device ultimately could be equipped with a nuclear bomb, which the U.S. intelligence community assesses Iran is developing.
Officials also report Iran has been testing detonation of its nuclear-capable missiles by remote control while still in high-altitude flight...
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
Thanks for the 1997 hearing with no details. Long and NOT informative.
Thanks - your totally correct...sigh. I’m always at work and out and about on the weekends..my apartment is really just a closet/bed/shower thing for me because its only 20minutes from work.
Other posters on this thread DID also reference this with a project name. I’ll cruise through the thread and see if I can locate it. You are welcome to do so as well. It’s in this thread somewhere.
I know how you are living, but you can stop off tonight and buy that water and a few items, keep it in a cool dark place and you can forget about them for three year stretches, after that use them, give them to single guys, or just add to them because they would still have a few more years shelf life left.
That link he posted was a bit (ahem) hard to read.
Try these:
http://empcommission.org/docs/empc_exec_rpt.pdf
http://empcommission.org/docs/A2473-EMP_Commission-7MB.pdf
see post #96 [ for the Hawaii effect reference ] ...
also this YouTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZoic9vg1fw
400 KM altitude burst = starburst test over the south pacific
“Google the two 1962 nuclear space tests — the US “Starfish Prime” and the “Soviet Test 184” Or “The K Project”.
“Starfish Prime also made those effects known to the public by causing electrical damage in Hawaii, about 1,445 kilometres (898 mi) away from the detonation point, knocking out about 300 streetlights, setting off numerous burglar alarms and damaging a telephone company microwave link.”
“The geomagnetic storm-like E3 pulse (from the test designated as “Test 184”) even induced an electrical current surge in a long underground power line that caused a fire in the power plant in the city of Karaganda.””
BTW the Starburst Prime test was 400 KM ASL. I had thought it was a tropospheric test. Clearly they sought to excite the ionosphere and did so. Very nice aurora (see pix in the YouTube video)
Remember a few years ago when most of the N.E. part of this country was blacked out for several days due to a failure in the power grid? I was affected by it here in S.E. Michigan.
First off, all traffic lights were out and it took me 4 hours to drive the 17 miles home from work. Literally every intersection on both surface streets were gridlocked and worked as a 4 way stop sign, bumper to bumper on every street in every direction.......
No television, no radio for about two and a half days. The following day, Thursday, I drove over to the local Meijer super store. All bottled water, soda pop were completely gone, the shelves of canned goods were almost empty, and the meats were no longer being sold due to their lack of refrigeration.
That evening my neighbors invited me over for bar-b-q chicken dinner and we sat in the garage just taking it all in and drinking wine. As evening progressed, everybody was out of their houses and just strolling the sidewalk and first time talking to strangers........As darkness came on, we lit some candles and continued drinking wine. It was surreal! People still out walking, no street lights on, no house lights on. We took a walk outside of our subdivision down to the 8 lane highway at the entrance to our complex and it was completely dark, hardly a vehicle out driving. All the shopping centers west of us were totally dark.........
By the next day, Friday, everything in my freezer had thawed and the ice melted. The fridge itself was just a box holding non perishable stuff.
As far as the blackout itself, people about 75 miles N. of Detroit were on a different grid so they never lost power. We had a radio so were able to pick up radio signals from the stations outside of Detroit that hadn't lost electricity.
Once the power was restored, within a day things were back to normal. Shopping centers were receiving their food goods and immediately restocked their shelves and everyone continued on with their lives
A lot of people view the possibility of an EMP attack as science fiction, I don't. I think it's very real and the warned effects of such an event are very real also.
This thread addresses the effects of an EMP and what it would have on society. Most people believe that areas of this country will be able to sustain themselves. If you look at it with a shallow attitude, I would have to say yes, they can sustain themselves. Unfortunately they only look at the surface of the problem: food, water and a means to sustain their immediate community........
Unfortunately, the reality is the loss of electrical power, the loss of all transportation wired with modern electronics, the interruption of all food stuffs previously transported into their cities and the loss of all perishible foods that haven't already been bought up and stored. But then again, such individual storage will be time limited due to the cooling ability of the individual.
Then, there will be the discontinuance of all life sustaining drugs to the pharmacy in those cities. Those with their current prescriptions will survive only as long as their drugs hold out.
As far as any senior centers that may be in those communities, the residents will die within several months due to lack of proper medical care.
Any hospitals will be rendered useless after loss of all electrical power and all inhouse patients will likely die within several weeks.
The big cities such as New York, Phila., Pittsburgh, all of them along the east coast will become houses of rotting bodies. When the first deaths start to occur, they will try to dispose of them properly but as the numbers increase, as the food supplies run out, people will head out of dodge leaving the dead and the dying where they are.
Just look at the devastation of Haiti without looking at the wrecked buildings. Without international aid, the dead would still be in the streets and in the buildings.
With the millions of unattended dead people in all these cities, without clean water and no sewage systems working anymore, the diseases that once wiped out european cities would surface once again. As I said in a previous post, Typhoid fever, dysentery, yellow fever, cholera, all the diseases that destroyed populations in ours and European history would surface once again with no medical means in which to combat them
The people finally fleeing from these death infected cities would most likely be carrying these diseases and spread them to whatever community they pass thru.
So, in this end times scenario, food and shelter can be sustained for a short period of time for any given small town community but eventually the influences of the outside world by the survivors fleeing the death cities will have its own toll.......
here’s a few tidbits about how the Navy sees a real threat—
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2010/03/navy_emp_032710w/
http://nextnavy.com/emp-threat-analysis-returns/
http://www.navsea.navy.mil/nswc/dahlgren/NEWS/EMP/EMP.aspx
http://www.chips.navy.mil/archives/10_jan/web_pages/Navy_EMP.html
HEre’s a fun read: http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/articles/display/the_emp_threat_lots_of_hype_little_traction
here’s a peer reviewed paper: http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0307/0307127.pdf
Enjoy
How do you survive people passing thru your little safety zone carrying typhoid fever, or dysentery or cholera?
You have no more drugs to help you but above all, you don't know that they are carrying the disease.........
I will address you no further until I have cured my abject ignorance.
(Come to think of it, I wasn't talking to you in the first place!)
“That’s right. It is NOT insulin, but it is related and has a similar affect. “
Jerusalem Artichoke is useful for treating Type 2 diabetes but is NOT a replacement for insulin.
Still waiting on ideas for making insulin in 19th century conditions.........................
Lots of links. But the one I am interested in is your reference to the Hawaii power grid being knocked out.
First of all, the Hawaii power grid was not knocked out. It was affected unexpectedly by the high altitude test. It only takes a few minutes to view the youtube video about the test. You might find it interesting background.
Read post 96 and also this peer reviewed paper: http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0307/0307127.pdf
While wikipedia is not a technical reference, take a look there under EMP.
What is it you are trying to find or prove/disprove?
You stated that it 'screwed up the Hawaii power grid'.
My point is that it did NOT. Thank you for now acknowledging this and providing an informative link.
"The Hawaiian Electric Company reported no breakdown of power lines nor opening of circuit breakers, nor is there any indication from any source that such things occurred."
How will they deal with the silent killers typhoid fever, cholera, dysentery, yellow fever and all the other diseases that literally wiped out cities in Europe that will inevitably sweep across this country without any medical intervention?
How will a city of 2000 grow to 5000 without any immediate means to sustain them? Assuming the "event" occurs in November, after all crops have been harvested and shipped out as most farmers do, there will be no sustaining crops until the following harvest season which won't be until at least the following September...........and that's predicated on perfect climate conditions that allow them to grow their specific crops...........
Rural Missouri leads the nation in Meth Labs, once society breaks down, how will your community of 2000 deal with the influx of meth or the lack of by the addicts living there?
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
The urbans will be carrying not only the guns but the diseases.......Now you're getting the picture aren't you? LOL!
It wasn't so easy as you imagined was it?
Facts are always good. I was operating from anecdotes.
Interestingly, from the paper I linked you to, note the conclusion:
“Based upon the analyses presented in this paper and in Refs. [7-81, it appears highly improbable if not impossible that the EMP from a single nuclear burst could blackout this nation’s power grid. It would be practically impossible for the EMP to cause widespread damage to the U.S. transmission line system. With the exception of isolated cases, it appears highly unlikely that EMP could produce extensive damage to the U.S. distribution grid. A single nuclear device exploded at high altitude will not render vital electrical services inoperable across the entire United States as has been suggested in many media references.”
Certainly a contrary view.
Pours some cold water on the story, eh?
The two PDFs from the gummint certainly point to a different conclusion.
Yeah, until a million city slickers show up.
Yellow fever and dysentery are not endemic to North America. Cholera comes from polluted water supplies. Typhoid can be bad, but is rarely fatal if symptoms are caught early. Most farms in that area have wells. Even if a single well goes bad, water would be fairly easy to get.
My Grandparents did not have indoor plumbing at their house until 1968, their hand pump is still in the back yard of the house. This is fairly common in this area of the country.
Will all Doctors be killed by the EMP? Will all pharmacists and phramacologists? Will all Medical books? If not, then medicines can be created in small batches using simple methods.
There are several crops that can be grown and harvested fairly quickly in short order. Granted, an EMP in November would be the worst timing, but if they can make it to March on stretched rations, a crop of radishes and turnip greens can be grown in a month. At that point, the farmers in the area could easily start the business of keeping everybody fed.
As far as meth addicts... well that’s what guns are for.
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