EMP could leave '9 out of 10 Americans dead'

WorldNetDaily ^ | May 3, 2010 | Joseph Farah

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

There is renewed alarm about the possibility of an EMP attack – electromagnetic pulse – on the United States because of Iran's work on a multi-stage Space Launch Vehicle, according to a report from Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

And experts forecast if such an attack were a success, it effectively could throw the U.S. back into an age of agriculture.

"Within a year of that attack, nine out of 10 Americans would be dead, because we can't support a population of the present size in urban centers and the like without electricity," said Frank Gaffney, president of the Center for Security Policy. "And that is exactly what I believe the Iranians are working towards."

A recent launch of an SLV by Iran has sparked renewed concern of an attack that could send an electromagnetic pulse powerful enough to wipe out computer controls for systems on which society has come to rely, officials say.

As the G2 Bulletin reported last week, Ronald Burgess, director of the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency, revealed that Iran successfully launched a multi-stage SLV, the Simorgh. The device ultimately could be equipped with a nuclear bomb, which the U.S. intelligence community assesses Iran is developing.

Officials also report Iran has been testing detonation of its nuclear-capable missiles by remote control while still in high-altitude flight...

[Blueflag]

I didn’t want to be a spoiler for the other poster, so I was being vague.

In the book Air Force One is disabled and crashes due to the pulse. Um. No. That’s the rather glaring technical fault is was referring to.

Not sure what report you are referring to.

[cornfedcowboy]

10% survival rate is rather high in my opinion.

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If that would the case, it will be a long, violent and bloody death.

[GonzoGOP]

10% survival rate is rather high in my opinion.

Dresden, bombed for 24 hours with 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices. Entire city burned for several days. And I'm fairly sure that at some point in the process the power went out. Casualties were not even close to 90%.

World War II killed 60 million people from all causes. And that includes a couple of nuclear bombs. To achieve 90% casualties in the United States you would need to kill 270 million people. And remember that the effect only lasts one second. After that you can start bringing in new trucks, trains, cars, boats, aircraft, generators, refrigerators, and what not from Japan, Germany and China, who aren't effected, and food from Canada. Sure we would be in hock up to our rear ends to pay for the rebuilding. But it would get rebuilt and long before 270,000,000 people starve to death.

[sneakers]

bttt

[P8riot]

I do it all of the time.

[concerned about politics]

And I'm fairly sure that at some point in the process the power went out. Casualties were not even close to 90%.

They didn't have "The world evolves around me" political correctness back then. They had more honor, more family, more concern for their fellow laborers. It's nothing like that today. People think they're entitled to have other peoples goods. Today they expect the politicians to house them, feed them, clothe them, educate them, and protect them by enslaving someone else.

[GonzoGOP]

Today they expect the politicians to house them, feed them, clothe them, educate them, and protect them by enslaving someone else.

First the irony. You are aware that Dresden was in Nazi Germany right? You know the guys who had the National Socialist government educate their children so that they would go into other countries, kill their people, and take their stuff so that they could fund their socialist workers state.

Second dependence on the government ends rapidly once it becomes obvious that the government has no power. Long before 90% of the people die they will start to scavenge. If they has said an EMP burst would kill millions I wouldn't argue the point. But 60 million people, the number killed by all causes in WW II, including death camps, area bombing, a couple of atomic bombs, and massive dislocation of populations in Europe and Asia, is only 20 percent of the US population today. After one in five people are dead I'm thinking the other four are going to stop waiting for Fedzilla to come save them and start working on ways of saving themselves.

[vanilla swirl]

“Actually, the deer population was at a low starting around the 1900’s. Now, it is estimated that there are more deer in PA then when the first settlers arrived.”

True, wildlife population is re-surging but was almost wiped out during the Great Depression. There is a Youtube video about the “’coon man”, a black man in the the jungles of Detroit that hunts racoons to sell or barbecue. I’m afraid there is not enough wildlife to sustain the population for very long. (There are also more hungry humans in PA than when the first settlers arrived!)

[concerned about politics]

After one in five people are dead I'm thinking the other four are going to stop waiting for Fedzilla to come save them and start working on ways of saving themselves.

I hope you're right. They'll blame God. They'll blame government. They'll blame each other, but no one will blame themselves. Times HAVE changed. Governments and technology have made things way too easy.
I think the people in the cities will be toast. It'll take more time today to realize Nanny Gov. isn't coming over to cook dinner.

[vanilla swirl]

I have admittedly not read every post in this thread but I did do a search.
Diabetics will die!!!
every one of them!!!

Type 1 diabetics who depend on insulin will die, it is only a matter of a few weeks until the supply runs out or becomes ineffective because of improper storage.

I have read the books most mentioned here and “One Second After” hit me like a ton of bricks. My son is a type 1 diabetic and I will have to watch him die a miserable death.

By now there are seasoned preppers watching this thread so I ask the question; Anybody come up with a solution to this problem? How do you make insulin with twigs and pebbles?

[concerned about politics]

Anybody come up with a solution to this problem? How do you make insulin with twigs and pebbles?

Jerusalem artichoke root. It contains inulin, a close relative of insulin. It has to become a large part of the diet. It can help.
It's easy to grow. It grows like a weed and self replicates. Actually, it's quite invasive. It looks like a sun flower, but the flowers on the large stalks are smaller.
Anyone can eat this. A normal serving is a root about the size of an egg.

[Anitius Severinus Boethius]

And as the people keep coming, what then?

Why would they keep coming? I thought all the city people were going to be dead in days? The real answer is that as there will be almost entirely foot traffic, there will be no large flow of people. They will straggle in and those that the community doesn't want will be pushed away. Remember those things called "guns" that rural people have in greater concentration than urban people? That will drive off undesirables.

Of the diseases you mention, only typhoid would be of serious concern. That comes from contaminated water and most small towns in the midwest have access to well water. So someone who has typhoid would likely be quarantined off from the town folk and be treated with hydration and antibiotics (which can be home grown) by a local Doctor. Unless of course the EMP also knocks all medical knowledge out of peoples minds thus rendering all Doctors useless.

[vanilla swirl]

from Wikipedia;

Unlike most tubers, but in common with other members of the Asteraceae (including the artichoke), the tubers store the carbohydrate inulin (not to be confused with insulin)

[FeliciaCat]

I live alone in a apartement in downtown Los Angeles. Reading all 330 of these posts has been scared senseless...
Even best case scenario I can see how living in a big city would be worst possible place to be...I dont know one neighbor by name.. My freezer has nail polish and ice cubes in it, my fridge has half empty mustard bottle and a bottle of Pinot Grigio...my cuboards are extra shoe storage.

My nearest family is 70 miles outside the city.

I do own a gun. But sense I will have died of starvation..will be totally useless to me.

[FeliciaCat]

Spell check should be my friend....sorry about typos...

[Kozak]

Read a little history. Get back to me.

[concerned about politics]

the tubers store the carbohydrate inulin (not to be confused with insulin)

That's right. It is NOT insulin, but it is related and has a similar affect.
It's the same thing with peach pits. An almond or two a day and you'll never have to fear cancer. I believe the cancer society already knows this, but they can't patent the almond. It's a natural ingredient like aspirin (willow bark), That's why they're studying the peach pit. It's poison, but it's so closely related to the almond, they could patent a medicine if they could alienate the negative properties.
You asked for "natural" help, and the artichoke is the closest medicine you'll find to insulin.

[Kozak]

Experts say otherwise

[ansel12]

You clearly don’t like to cook at home, but you can do a couple of things to give yourself some comfort.

Buy a couple of cases of water and put them neatly in a closet, out of the sun light and forget about them, you can replace them every five years if you wish. Buy the big jug of peanut butter somewhere and a few cans of something and put it with the water, every couple of years buy another container of peanut butter and just add it to your old one, buy an LED flashlight and a fifty pack of generic tea candles.

It wouldn’t hurt for you to start looking at canned and dry foods that you wouldn’t mind having at the apartment, and then keeping some of that there.

If you eat a couple of cans of smoked oysters, tuna, sardines, and canned corn, and a pound of rice, and some oatmeal at home every year for instance, then start staying a year ahead when you buy them, because they all have several year shelf lives.

[ColdWater]

Atmospheric tests (say 10,000 feet and below) DID screw up the power grid in Hawaii (there’s citations for this, but I am in a hurry).

When you get a chance ....