Posted on 05/04/2010 5:12:37 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
There is renewed alarm about the possibility of an EMP attack – electromagnetic pulse – on the United States because of Iran's work on a multi-stage Space Launch Vehicle, according to a report from Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.
And experts forecast if such an attack were a success, it effectively could throw the U.S. back into an age of agriculture.
"Within a year of that attack, nine out of 10 Americans would be dead, because we can't support a population of the present size in urban centers and the like without electricity," said Frank Gaffney, president of the Center for Security Policy. "And that is exactly what I believe the Iranians are working towards."
A recent launch of an SLV by Iran has sparked renewed concern of an attack that could send an electromagnetic pulse powerful enough to wipe out computer controls for systems on which society has come to rely, officials say.
As the G2 Bulletin reported last week, Ronald Burgess, director of the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency, revealed that Iran successfully launched a multi-stage SLV, the Simorgh. The device ultimately could be equipped with a nuclear bomb, which the U.S. intelligence community assesses Iran is developing.
Officials also report Iran has been testing detonation of its nuclear-capable missiles by remote control while still in high-altitude flight...
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
I acknowledge up front I haven’t reviewed all your posts but it seems to me you’re missing one huge factor in this: panic and fear. When people are hungry, when they are panicking, they don’t think rationally. The scenario you propose requires thought-out plans and TIME to execute. Your scenario requires cooperation, based on the good of the community. That isn’t how people tend to act in big catastrophes. How can you ignore the behavior after Katrina? Multiply New Orleans post-Katrina by even 10 cities and you can see some of the issues.
At the bottom of it, this generation is self-centered & selfish under the best of circumstances. They expect “other people” aka “the government” to do the work for them. And when something simple like boiling their own water is required, they can’t or won’t do it. It’s that selfishness combined with panic and fear that will cause tremendous destruction beyond what the actual EMP causes directly.
Fiction
“And when I talk to someone of the older generation they kind of brush off the heat and say that they’re accustomed to it. They know how to prepare for the hottest days, even those without AC.”
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I was born in 1944 in central South Carolina. Between the heat and the humidity few places are more miserable during the worst heat spells. Yes, we survived without air conditioning and I walked the fields all day long behind a mule during some very bad hot spells. Have you ever experienced walking ALL DAY in the sun when it is over 95 degrees, even possibly over 100 degrees with the sun reflecting off sand and the humidity so high that streams of sweat pour down your body and every stitch of clothing is sopping wet? Don’t dismiss the danger so lightly, I have come within a whisker of having a heat stroke when I was a teenager and tough as a white oak stick covered with rawhide. There are millions of people in the South now who would have a very hard time surviving without air conditioning in a really bad summer. Yes there really ARE millions of homes in the South that would NOT be habitable without air conditioning. I am an expert on THIS subject and while I expect that I would survive I certainly don’t want to have to. I would probably wind up spending summer nights outside with a mosquito net. Even back in the fifties we DID have electric fans, we used to put a box fan in one window to exhaust the hot air and open the bedroom windows about one inch to allow a flow of air across the beds,in this scenario you wouldn’t even have that. You probably wouldn’t even have cold showers available. Heat stroke is not a danger to be brushed aside lightly.
If you DO know older people who “kind of brush off the heat and say that they’re accustomed to it” you should be especially aware of their needs if this ever does happen. In this area we have had old farmers drop dead in the field because they thought they could still handle it as they did when they were young, older people are VERY vulnerable to heat stroke. Another factor is that bigger, heavier individuals are much more likely to overheat. I am a very large man myself though not actually fat, I am well aware that I cannot stand the heat as well as I could when I was a stringbean skinny teenager. This is a matter of elementary physics, smaller people have a much greater skin area per pound of body weight than larger people do and therefore don’t build up internal heat as rapidly. The AVERAGE resident of the South is probably fifty pounds heavier than the average back when I was a boy, this would NOT be an advantage if we lost air conditioning.
I hope I don’t sound too argumentative, I merely mean to offer a caution, I am far more familiar with the dangers of Southern heatwaves than I ever have wanted to be.
Where will the elderly get their life sustaining drugs? And with the mass exodus of people from the big cities , will that small town take in starving strangers?
I came from the North. And I learned early on not to bitch about the heat to anyone in Georgia. Those that have lived their entire lives here do not bitch about it. They know how to handle it.
They are accustomed to it. They know the dangers, they know to go in doors when the sun is at it’s peak, they know to remain hydrated, they know to take plenty of breaks, they know to check on one another, they know to watch out for the elderly, etc.
They also know that they don’t need a Northerner to bitch to them about how damn hot it is. No one likes to hear how hot it is. We all know how hot it is in August during those few weeks when the temperature is above 100 F.
They are sensible people who know how to manage.
Yes, AC makes life better for everyone, and I am thankful for it. But, I have lived without it in the past. It is possible to survive. I was thankful when it returned.
The greater Atlanta area where I live is known for its heat and humidity and air conditioning has been a blessing for the South. I’m grateful for it most certainly.
Growing up in the North, I never had air conditioning, even when there was the rare day when it was in the 90’s and humid.
90% dead is the claim.
Yes, there will be people who die due to medicaal conditions.
And yes, small towns and villages can take in people who are willing to work for their survival.
A lot of people would die, but no where near 90% of the population in the first year.
Good point about New Orleans and Katrina. Now compare that to New York City after 9/11.
Different people react differently in times of panic and stress. There may well be whole farm towns that just abandon hope and die from despair more than starvation, but it is the idea that 90% of the population of the U.S. would die within a year that is the ridiculous part of this claim.
You can keep a cache of electronics in a faraday cage, and it will do just fine one second after. Separate the batteries from the electronics and keep them in the cage.
I’d like to think the defense establishment has been hardening backplanes for tanks, planes, and other weapons systems against EMP since the 1960’s. I could be wrong. I hope I’m not.
Then the government report linked on THEIR website is wrong.
So, an EMP could basically wipe out the Democrat parasite nests ("cities")?
Huh..
You must be a fan of CSI, also.
And as the people keep coming, what then? Turn them away once the town has become filled up? They can only absorb so many you know.
What will be their protection against disease carriers they come in contact with? Diseases such as typhoid, cholera, yellow fever, etc.....?
And you live where???
They also make vinegar for preserving.
Vinegar is also high in acid and makes a good antibacterial.
Sewage can be mulched to make it disease free. Just use LOTS of green stuff to keep it hot. More than usual for mulching. After a couple of years, it'll be safe enough to use in a garden. (we never have, but would use it in an emergency)
And then there are the fish in the lakes.
Look up Asian fish sauce. It sounds yucky, but Worcester cause is actually a fish sauce. You can use it for it's mineral content when everything counts.
And since I have a BB gun handy pigeons, raccoons, rabbits and other local vermin will now be appearing on the dinner table.
Also, keep info around for trapping. You may not want people to hear your gun.
Other people will be after yours and everyone elses food, so think "secret sources." You'll have to be able to catch/pick it and still get it back home saftley.
Man, I hate thinking like this, but I have kids.
Yes, that presumes that NORAD and the Emergency Broadcast System actually work when it's "for real". It may be a very big assumption.
I've thought about this one in particular.
I am very familiar with Atlanta and yes, it can be hot but it is FAR from the hottest place in Georgia, it sits on a ridge at around 1000 feet above sea level and the highest official temperature recorded is 105 which is VERY hot but I have suffered heat waves with temperatures that high or higher for a week or more running. Some places in Georgia and South Carolina would make you want to go to Atlanta to ESCAPE from the heat!
No. CSI is technically preposterous.
Gotta love WorldNutDaily.
Although, it would have to be at least a billion times worse that this!
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