EMP could leave '9 out of 10 Americans dead'

WorldNetDaily ^ | May 3, 2010 | Joseph Farah

[rarestia]

I understood that, but I didn’t realize the article was specifically addressing an EMP attack. A nuclear attack would generate EMP much in the same way.

I’m more concerned about solar cycling. EMP from the sun would eradicate communications if an X flare made it this way.

[MayflowerMadam]

Great advice. We live on a river, too.

[airborne]

"...because we can't support a population of the present size in urban centers and the like without electricity..."

I read that as mostly liberals and minorities that have no survival skills.

Those of us that have prepared will have to fend off those who haven't.

[ChocChipCookie]

Where is the gas going to come from to power up those generators and vehicles?

Our power grid would be down,and it would be no temporary thing. My cousin who works with Homeland Security says that the security of our power grid is one of their top concerns.

Also, read http://thesurvivalmom.com/2009/12/18/just-in-time-shipping-and-your-familys-survival/

Our trucking system would be completely down without fuel, and in less than a week hospitals would run out of medical supplies, oxygen and drugs. Anyone receiving regular medical care would immediately be at risk.

Water treatment plants would run out of chlorine and the other chemicals used to treat water. Without clean water, there will be an increase in waterborne diseases but no medicines available for treatment.

It would be a mess with a huge casualty rate and life would never be the same again.

[seemoAR]

People lived in dog trot houses and slept outside when the houses got too hot. A country boy can survive.

[ridesthemiles]

Why would a tractor not work again?”

Because the newer tractors have the same kinds of electronics that newer cars have.

[houeto]

The biggest problem (for the cities, anyway) is fresh water.

See my tagline. I own 5 of these.

[Beagle8U]

“How will you produce the pumps without electricity? And even if you could, how would you be able to distribute them?”

Every damn farm and large hobby garage has several hand pumps in the barn. They are used to pump fluids out of oil drums.

Just a hose with a hand pump that you set on the drum. Turn the handle and like magic...out comes the fluid!

[Betis70]

I am familiar with it. Worked outside (no A/C) for a summer down there (well Georgia). Stifling, and certainly w/o decent water, would be quite deadly.

I’ve also worked outside in 105+ heat in the desert (LA, Vegas, Phoenix). Those people would be in major trouble in about two or three days.

Both extreme cold and heat would be pretty deadly. One thing I found though working outside in both extremes—I recovered quicker from the heat than the cold after the work was done. The cold you just couldn’t escape, whereas with the heat, a nice breeze gave you brief respite.

BTW I didn’t have a heated or A/C’ed env to go back to, this was all backwoods work.

[shibumi]

принимая факты не в доказательстве

[VRW Conspirator]

One man with a .22 or AK could destroy most of the transformers in a typical substation in seconds....

And poison water mains with simple-cheap equpment. The poison would not even have to be deadly, but it could just make anyone sick. And what about destroying main sewer lines to add to the disease factor? The drawback to these methods of local terrorism is the manpower and know how required to make this wide spread.

[houeto]

But there were fights in stores over bottled water.

Check out the Jungle Bucket in my tagline. It's a grab and go system and it works!

[Anitius Severinus Boethius]

Ok, let me throw some water on your hysteria.

Let’s take a small town in Missouri. It’s in the bootheel and where my Grandparents lived and died. I still have 4 cousins in that town of less than 2000.

There are dozens of old tractors just sitting in barns around that area. There are many farm mechanics who can get them up and going. Three gas stations in town who can’t sell gas in the first couple of days, would mean close to a thousand gallons of gas in underground tanks, not counting all the gas stored up on family farms.

So, after a few days the town leaders tell people: We will set up hand pumps for gas stations, only tractors can be fueled up for farming, gas on farms will be communal for the same purpose and we will set up a field work schedule so we can grow all of our food.

Yep! Communism works in a short term, emergancy situation.

“But what about the locusts?”, you might ask. By the time the locusts get out to that town (60 miles from Poplar Bluff, the closest “city” nearby), the town leaders would have figured out something is seriously wrong and armed patrols would be meeting stragglers and wanderers. They can work the fields and live with the rest of the town, or they can go on their way.

The gasoline and old tractors gives them at least two planting and harvesting (by hand) seasons to get established and pretty soon that becomes the new “normal”. As the gasoline starts to run low, horses and even cows would start to pull makeshift plows made with that old anvil in someones barn (my Grandfather had one) and the metalshop teacher at the highschool.

Yes, medical emergancies will take some people, but this small town in rural Missouri would probably grow from 2000 people to 5000 people in a single year.

And this would be duplicated all around the nation.

[rarestia]

Understood! I’ve been in the same situations, and I definitely prefer the heat. Living near the coast confers certain benefits as well. In-land southern cities are much worse than what I have here near the coast. Having lived in Tallahassee for 4 years, I can contest that those in-land, breezeless summer days are absolutely Hell!

[GonzoGOP]

They don’t have the supplies to make it last. ie they can meet their own needs- Food. fuel. but ...

My point was that the military could use HEMMETS to move electricians and supplies of cables to start repairing the electrical system. Not everything, but they could get critical services up and running again. The Nuclear carriers and subs are EMP hardened power stations, use the military to tie them into the net and you can start bringing the coastal cities back on line, at least enough to get the water running again.

Railways could be back up and running at reduced capacity in a few days. Sure they would have to use train orders instead of CTC and they would need to put back the caboose in order to have a conductor or switch man manually throw the turnouts. Locomotives last an average of 40 years so some of the old GP-38s and GP-7s that have low tech electronics would still work. Especially if they were not in operation at the time of the pulse. And you might even have to rob the old steamers out of Strausburg. Low speed and reduced capacity but they would be able to haul some food from the grain elevators and cattle ranches into the cities.

"and anything connected to electrical cables, which act as giant lightning rods or antennae — will be affected by the pulse. " However equipment that does not have power running through it at the time of the pulse will be much less likely to be damaged. Now a car with its battery has power on even when the ignition is off. But cars on the lot with the battery pulled don't. And older diesels without electronic fuel injection are darn near immune. So some civilian vehicles would be back on the roads immediately afterwords. Not many, but we are talking absolute minimum survival here. A few truck loads of grain or a C-5 food drop might leave a city hungry, but they can keep them alive.

The military will be our only non-self-served hope for social order. But they cannot be our grocery store.

They don't have to run the grocery store. They just have to keep the people from taking more than their ration. It is going to be Ethiopian food distribution in the cities. And that is something that the military can do.

After 4 days there’s no fresh water in Atlanta (save the creeks and rivers.) There’s no food after 10 days. There’s no fuel, no lights at night; no police or fire response. The lords of the flies will emerge rapidly in Atlanta and the US Army cannot stop it.

The US military has big portable generators for use on their fire bases. Now those won't power a city, but the will power a water pumping station. And they have the HEMMETS to move them to where they are needed. They can bring in the local technicians and their own electricians to fix the damage to the pumps. And they have the discipline to keep Lootie from raiding the power station to keep his Heineken cool. Four days would be tight, but again they would have some water back up. Even if they have to haul it out in tanker trucks for distribution. Again their trucks will run because they are EMP hardened.

[Axeslinger]

The last above ground nuclear test took place in 1980...before the advent of the silicon chip and solid-state electronics that permeate every aspect of society. I don’t know the validity of the threat due to EMP, but I am, at least...curious and cautiously concerned.

[Thunder90]

EMP’s would also wipe out most of our conventional military capabilities (including GPS over the US) Our nuke forces would be OK, however.

Russia and China, with that old junk, would be OK and become dominant powers.

[Vendome]

Wow! This post started at 5 am and there are more than 100 replies! Amazing!

For those of who have not done so, I would encourage you to buy a water purifier.

 

Right now, in an American city, 2 Million people are boiling their water, due to a break in their primary water main.

 

 

NACN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HasTWSZVYtU&feature=player_embedded

 

CNN

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/02/boston-area-communities-under-boil-water-order/

 

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[FreedomOfExpression]

What’s a pre-state solid ignition?

Well now, these cars nowadays have those fancy liquid ignition systems. When you get the sky all electricalized with the EMPs, it boils all of the liquid out of the ignition system.
What's going to fire your spark plugs now, huh?
Well, that's where your solid ignition comes in. It would take a lot of frying to make those things boil.
Of course, the reason it's called pre-state is because the technology is so old, it was here before there were any states in the union.

[MrB]

Both of those have one fatal flaw -

the exposure of the “clean side” to the unfiltered water.