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Fresh Tissues from Solid Rock
Institute for Creation Research ^ | 02/01/2010 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 04/09/2010 11:35:22 AM PDT by lasereye

Fresh tissues continue to be found in supposedly millions-of-years-old fossils. These un-replaced, un-mineralized, still-soft tissues come from animals or plants that were preserved by some catastrophic event.1 Each specimen looks young, and a direct inference is that its host rock must also be dated as thousands, not millions, of years old. And the fresher the meat, the more ridiculous are the evolution-inspired claims of great antiquity for the rock in which it was discovered.

These tissue finds are typically accompanied, in either the technical literature or science news, by the phrase "remarkable preservation." If one is to believe in the great ages assigned to these artifacts, then the quality of preservation is beyond "remarkable"--it is not scientifically possible in such a context. This is, of course, why authorities increasingly offer assurances that soft tissues, despite what is known about their decay rates, can somehow be preserved for millions of years.

For example, Melanie Mormile of Missouri University recently told Discovery News that when other researchers recovered intact DNA from bacteria trapped in "419 million-year-old" salt deposits, this showed "that these organisms can somehow survive for these amazing amounts of time."2 A similar assertion came in a recent airing of CBS News' 60 Minutes. Reporter Leslie Stahl interviewed Dr. Mary Schweitzer, who proved beyond any reasonable doubt in early 2009 that soft tissues, including several different proteins like collagen, had been extracted from a hadrosaur.3 At one point, Schweitzer showed Stahl soft tissue from a Tyrannosaur. Stahl then commented, "It looked like the soft tissue she would have expected to find if it had been modern bone. This was impossible. This bone was 68 million years old."4 Stahl's statement that it is "impossible" makes more sense than the implied assurance from Schweitzer that these discoveries are somehow indeed possible in the context of "80 million years."

A more recent finding was claimed to be the "highest quality soft tissue preservation ever documented in the fossil record."5 Paleontologists found intact, mostly desiccated muscle--complete with blood-filled vessels--in a fossilized salamander that had been removed from the Ribesalbes Lagerstatte deposit near Castellon in northeast Spain. This geologic formation probably resulted from a local, explosive event.

Reporting in the journal Proceedings of the Royal Society B, the researchers made it quite clear that "the detail revealed by TEM [transmission electron microscopy] imaging unequivocally identifies the organic remains as fossilized musculature from the salamander itself."6 They did not comment on the trouble these tissues bring to evolution's assumption of deep time, but their silence regarding the "elephant in the room" question of how a "fresh" fossilized salamander could exist after millions of years does not diminish the question's relevance.

When it comes to evidence that earth's igneous rocks are young, ICR-sponsored research found it in spades in the form of an abundance of trapped helium in granites and still-ticking carbon-14 clocks in diamonds.7 Now, when it comes to scientific evidence that sedimentary rocks are much younger than evolutionary scientists claim, there is perhaps no clearer message than that provided by fresh tissues in fossils.

References

1 These remains must have been deposited catastrophically, either as a result of Noah's Flood or from smaller, local post-Flood catastrophes. Although each deposit must be carefully and individually interpreted, it is possible to generalize that fossils found from the Cambrian up to the Cretaceous strata were Flood-deposited, and fossils found in Cenozoic Era were post-Flood.

2 Reilly, M. World's Oldest Known DNA Discovered. Discovery News. Posted on discovery.com December 17, 2009, accessed December 18, 2009.

3 Schweitzer, M. H. et al. 2009. Biomolecular Characterization and Protein Sequences of the Campanian Hadrosaur B. Canadensis. Science. 324 (5927): 626-631.

4 B-Rex. 60 Minutes. Aired on CBS November 15, 2009. Accessed online November 19, 2009.

5 Ancient muscle tissue extracted from 18 million year old fossil. University College Dublin press release, November 5, 2009.

6 McNamara, M. et al. Organic preservation of fossil musculature with ultracellular detail. Proceedings of the Royal Society B. Published online before print October 14, 2009.

7 Vardiman, L., A. Snelling and E. Chaffin, eds. 2005. Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth, vol. 2: Results of a Young-Earth Creationist Research Initiative. El Cajon, CA: The Institute for Creation Research and Chino Valley, AZ: Creation Research Society.


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: belongsinreligion; creation; evolution; fossil; scientism; tissue
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1 posted on 04/09/2010 11:35:22 AM PDT by lasereye
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To: lasereye

Thanks for the post.


2 posted on 04/09/2010 11:38:16 AM PDT by rae4palin (RESIST--REPEAL--IMPEACH)
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To: GodGunsGuts

I’ll bet you already knew this.


3 posted on 04/09/2010 11:38:56 AM PDT by rae4palin (RESIST--REPEAL--IMPEACH)
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To: lasereye

Well at least it makes cloning dinosaurs back into existance that much easier.


4 posted on 04/09/2010 11:39:04 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: lasereye

5 posted on 04/09/2010 11:41:10 AM PDT by frogjerk
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To: lasereye

Evolution is a faith.


6 posted on 04/09/2010 11:47:14 AM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: lasereye
They did not comment on the trouble these tissues bring to evolution's assumption of deep time, but their silence regarding the "elephant in the room" question of how a "fresh" fossilized salamander could exist after millions of years does not diminish the question's relevance.

How would this same muscle tissue remain "fresh" after 6,000 years?

7 posted on 04/09/2010 11:57:48 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
How would this same muscle tissue remain "fresh" after 6,000 years?

In another article on this topic, Dinosaur Soft Tissue: Biofilm or Blood Vessels? he says that biomolecues have a lifespan of no more than 100,000 years. For collagen it's 30,000 years. So 6,000 years is not an obstacle.

8 posted on 04/09/2010 12:29:49 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: stinkerpot65
Evolution is a faith.

Rubbish! No evos will attack this on the ground that it comes from a Christian website!

9 posted on 04/09/2010 12:36:47 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: lasereye
Well OBVIOUSLY the only thing that makes sense is that the dinosaurs lived within the last 6,000 years contemporaneously with humanity and yet somehow got fossilized >95% into rock, and that starlight from 100 million light years away made the trip in less than 6,000 years!/s

When you find a dinosaur bone that is BONE and not mineralized fossil you may have found something, but not what you will presume you have found.

10 posted on 04/09/2010 12:41:05 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream
The idea that it takes millions of years for anything to fossilize is incorrect. Wood has been observed to fossilize in a short time.

Rapid Petrification of Wood

Starlight and Time: Solving the Puzzle of Distant Starlight in a Young Universe by Russell Humphreys, an accomplished physicist, develops a theory of how we could be seeing distant starlight in a young universe.

11 posted on 04/09/2010 1:31:52 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: allmendream

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/slc987/evolution.jpg

;-)


12 posted on 04/09/2010 1:39:28 PM PDT by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
It's like the “fresh” fish served at the local restaurant, "fresh" when it was frozen in 1957.
13 posted on 04/09/2010 1:58:19 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: lasereye

I will! :)

But I also have other grounds.

1. This is hardly a scientific article, their first reference simply states, “These remains must have been deposited catastrophically, either as a result of Noah’s Flood or from smaller, local post-Flood catastrophes...” That’s just an assertion, references are supposed to site additional sources of evidence. They also cite a CBS 60 Minutes interview; you just don’t do that, they should have sited the interviewees paper on the subject.

2. With the exception of the first reference that’s just an assertion and the last which they claim is their research, no other cited source backs up their claims. They’re picking and choosing what information they like from those sources. One of the scientists who found the bacteria says straight up that they’re 300 million years old. The lead author on the study finding the soft tissue says it’s 18 million years old. Their own references contradict their report.

3. Their “research” obviously didn’t proceed beyond the cited article which is essentially little more then a university press release (any creditable research institute would have a jstor account so could read the entire paper). They criticized one of the cited articles because they didn’t mention how the preservation was achieved. That’s a loaded question for a new discovery and unlike the IRC, that team is still doing the research (and of course ICR didn’t mention that McNamara is a leading researcher looking to answer that question...in fact that’s what she’s doing right now).


14 posted on 04/09/2010 1:58:37 PM PDT by Raymann
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To: lasereye

Any idea what area or specialty his science degree is in?


15 posted on 04/09/2010 2:06:38 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: count-your-change
It's like the “fresh” fish served at the local restaurant, "fresh" when it was frozen in 1957.

:)

Shades of Ramsey's Kitchen Nightmares...

16 posted on 04/09/2010 2:11:25 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: lasereye
Why do we find every dinosaur bone as mineralized and not bone, and yet we find just about every modern mammalian mega fauna as actual bone? Fossilized wood doesn't answer the question.

Starlight denoting an old star from one hundred million light years distant would be denoting a position where no star had ever been within the ‘actual’ six thousand years that you will accept as the age of the universe. Thus this beam of light would LOOK like it was from a star, but no star was ever there. Does your god lie. The God I worship doesn't lie.

17 posted on 04/09/2010 2:11:37 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Brian Thomas received his bachelors degree in biology from Stephen F. Austin State University, Nacogdoches, Texas, in 1993. After teaching at Angelina Christian School and beginning graduate studies in science education at the Institute for Creation Research Graduate School, he returned to Stephen F. Austin State, where he earned a masters degree in biotechnology in 1999. From 2000 to 2005, he taught 9th and 12th grade biology at Ovilla Christian School in Ovilla, Texas, as well as general biology and general chemistry as an adjunct professor at Navarro College, Waxahachie, Texas. He taught biology, chemistry, and anatomy as an assistant professor at Dallas Baptist University from 2005 until 2008, and co-founded the Center for Christian Apologetics in Houston.

Well I'm certainly impressed.

18 posted on 04/09/2010 2:18:24 PM PDT by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: mgstarr
Brian Thomas received his bachelors degree in biology from Stephen F. Austin State University, Nacogdoches, Texas, in 1993. After teaching at Angelina Christian School and beginning graduate studies in science education at the Institute for Creation Research Graduate School, he returned to Stephen F. Austin State, where he earned a masters degree in biotechnology in 1999. From 2000 to 2005, he taught 9th and 12th grade biology at Ovilla Christian School in Ovilla, Texas, as well as general biology and general chemistry as an adjunct professor at Navarro College, Waxahachie, Texas. He taught biology, chemistry, and anatomy as an assistant professor at Dallas Baptist University from 2005 until 2008, and co-founded the Center for Christian Apologetics in Houston.

Thanks.

19 posted on 04/09/2010 2:51:40 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: allmendream
It could be that bone takes longer to fossilize, but still far less than millions of years. Has someone proven that it actually takes that long, or is it just an assumption?

Starlight denoting an old star from one hundred million light years distant would be denoting a position where no star had ever been within the ‘actual’ six thousand years that you will accept as the age of the universe.

Based on how his theory works, I don't believe that's true.

20 posted on 04/09/2010 4:34:27 PM PDT by lasereye
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