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Why is the American right so willfully blind, to the dangers of unrestricted one-way "free trade"?
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Posted on 03/01/2010 7:22:44 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network

This poster doesn't get it.

Conservatives are so consistently, so often, so very right. So clearly.

About so many things!!

Why is it, so many are so blind to what is happening to our nation, as a result of our historically STUPID trade policies?

Is it that conservativism is by definition a resistance to too much change, and that "free trade" was a cherished belief for so long there's simply a resistence to noticing it's become dangerous?


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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Why is the American right so willfully blind, to the dangers of unrestricted one-way "free trade"?

Because the business interests at the top could make mucho money by selling America.

Now, there is not much left to sell.

41 posted on 03/01/2010 8:51:18 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: railroader

And a perfect example is how Toyota and other Asian manufacturers manage to build vehicles right here that Americans buy over other Asian brands made in Asia. It’s not important where it’s made. If you make the right product at the right price, people will buy.


42 posted on 03/01/2010 8:51:49 PM PST by libh8er
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

LoL. I am sure you will see the light some day :)


43 posted on 03/01/2010 8:53:14 PM PST by libh8er
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To: freedomfiter2

“True. Most free traders are corporate types that want to import goods that cheaper than can be bought here. They are the same people that want to bring illegals here to push wages down for American workers.”

There is just no way around it, those who oppose free trade don’t want to compete. Period. Making cheap toys and crappy clothing just aren’t jobs that have a future in the United States. Those low skill type jobs will move to wherever the lowest cost labor is for them. The result is, we end up getting those products on the cheap and can spend our hard earned money buying other stuff. When our workforce is motivated instead of sitting around collecting an eternity’s worth unemployment benefits, they would learn a new skill and get a job where they can be productive and compete in the world market.

If the anti-free traders had their way, we’d still have our choice between only the big 3 US car makers - all whom produced sheer garbage by the end of their glory days. Those Unions and UAW workers fought the entry of Honda, Toyota, etc, etc into the market because they KNEW they could not compete. It’s not complicated.

The only groups that really, knowledgeably oppose free trade are labor unions and labor union employees. Their reasons for opposing free trade are solid, not good for the United States, but solid. Quite simply, they know they can’t compete against companies throughout the world, while at the same time negotiating for their employees inflated salaries and silly benefit packages.

It is a globalized world, roll with it and stop the fantasies where we can hold on to useless jobs that are better served being done in 3rd world countries (you know, so they can industrialize too) and protect unionized yet often incompetent, over-paid, lazy workers.


44 posted on 03/01/2010 8:54:34 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: libh8er
You forgot other things like intellectual property rights, a (more or less) equitable court system, lack of overt bribery and (until GM) govermnent-run semi-monopolies to "compete" with, environmental laws, product safety laws, quality control, an (until recently) widespread educated populace, and infrastructure.

Other than those pesky unnecessary things, why, they're the cats pajamas!

Cheers!

45 posted on 03/01/2010 8:57:15 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

http://www.forbes.com/2009/05/28/robert-reich-manufacturing-business-economy.html


46 posted on 03/01/2010 9:04:58 PM PST by Swiss (Reality don't seem real anymore)
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To: Weiser

I love the trite argument that if someone is willing to work cheaper then we must compete, even if they are a Chinese slave or a defacto slave. There is nothing wrong with a little structure and rules.

The constutution enshrines independence above all. The trans-national businessman should not be allowed to do thing destructive to America.


47 posted on 03/01/2010 9:12:15 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

what is needed is fair trade not free trade!

If a nation charges a tarrif, impose an equal tarrif on them!

We are being royally screwed by other countries currently.


48 posted on 03/01/2010 9:17:05 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
No offense, but trying to talk common sense with a “free trader” is like trying to talk common sense with an Obama voter...

You have it backwards. Being your neighbor obligates me to neither pay for your healthcare nor buy products and services you wish to produce and force me to buy. Obama voters and protectionists operate from the same sentiment; a claim on their neighbors' wealth with no moral underpinning, just faux patriotism. What is it exactly that makes your claim on my wealth superior to your average Chinese citizen again?

Protectionism is for whiny, nose picking losers driven by unhealthy, base human impulses. Why fit that profile when you have the option being better?

49 posted on 03/01/2010 9:18:47 PM PST by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: DesertRhino
The trans-national businessman should not be allowed to do thing destructive to America.

Destructive things like providing quality products to Americans at low prices?

50 posted on 03/01/2010 9:26:47 PM PST by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: Minn

Cool, got it.
And,,, when your wife says she could bring in an extra 500 bucks a day, working as a prostitute on the side while you are at work, would that be ok with you? I mean hey, it would be a _great_ improvement in the bottom line. The person who does the family checkbook would be thrilled!

Or do you value some intangible things more than the ultimate maximum possible profit?
Free trade is only useful when it strengthens our nation, and when we are selling. But when we are merely the cheap market for other nations, it hurts this country. WE become nothing more than the market nation in a colonial economic model.

It’s not faux patriotism. Faux patriotism is when a businessman who is just as happy to live in London, Shanghai, or Brazil forever,, uses influence with politicians to dismantle the economy in the USA as much as they can,,, and then labels our objection as “faux patriotism”.


51 posted on 03/01/2010 9:37:30 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I remember debating the topic of free trade in high school back in the 1960’s. I always thought it was a good idea. Now, not so much.

Free trade between the states in the USA worked out well, but we had fairly common values, common currency, and similar labor practices/laws.

Other countries, using slave labor, and unequal practices are undercutting prices, and driving USA firms out of business. I am especially concerned about manufacturers. We need to keep enough industrial base to be able to produce our own airplanes, tanks, etc.

The car companies were very helpful during WWII in the war effort, so I surely hope that Ford continues to do well at least. I thought the goal of Free Trade was to bring the rest of the world's standard of living up, not to bring ours down.

I exercise my freedom every day to buy food from local farmers, and bypass food from China at Walmart. One day they could just put poison in all that food, and Americans will be as dead as the dogs that died from Chinese crap in the pet food.

52 posted on 03/01/2010 9:38:08 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: DesertRhino
And,,, when your wife says she could bring in an extra 500 bucks a day, working as a prostitute on the side while you are at work, would that be ok with you?

If there was an international prize for the greatest non sequitur in the history of history, you'd be a shoe in.

53 posted on 03/01/2010 9:44:39 PM PST by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: Minn

My point is that you were idiotic to chide anyone as a faux patriot for opining that American sovreignty and independence outweigh a stock price.

I see you have no response to me pointing out that some things actually DO matter more than the cheapest price or the maximization of stock price to the n’th degree.

The destruction of the manufacturing base in a country is never good, no matter how you spin it. The Germans don’t seem to think so either. Go visit,,you see factories everywhere. Even making things like consumer electronics, etc,,.

Not everyone can be an MBA. A nation needs solid jobs in the manufacturing sector. A blind man can see that government policies have caused a trainwreck in this nations manufacturing sector. It was compounded when the international bankers,,the G-S types, had their paid-for politicians give us “free trade”.


54 posted on 03/01/2010 10:03:39 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Gen-X-Dad
we were the only idiots to allow the multinational corporations the ability to destroy our industrial base so they could fatten their bottom line

So just how far are you willing to go restricting people's and corporations' liberties to enact your version of fairness and utopia? And given how the collective good as you see it is obviously so much more important than individual liberties you are willing to trample, how are you in any way, shape, matter or form a conservative?

55 posted on 03/01/2010 10:11:09 PM PST by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: greeneyes

“and bypass food from China at Walmart”

Very wise. I do too,, that crap can rot on their shelves. Human waste on their fields, anti-freeze in some foods, chemicals in others, the list is endless.


56 posted on 03/01/2010 10:12:41 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: SlipStream; Cringing Negativism Network
Very well said - hear, hear!

Next time you talk to anyone in government, ask them "How many laws are enough?"

57 posted on 03/01/2010 10:13:19 PM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !! Â)
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To: DesertRhino
My point is that you were idiotic to chide anyone as a faux patriot for opining that American sovereignty and independence outweigh a stock price.

Who said anything about a stock price? Protectionism screws consumers, not producers. Walmart would be happy to source domestically if everybody else had to, and of course impoverish it's customers by charging far more. And how will we ever fight a war when so many Legos and Snuggies are being made in China? If we just had a few laws, high school dropouts could be making $40 and hour doing low skill labor that otherwise destitute Chinese are willing to do for $2 a day. Then everything would be fine.

I won't call you idiotic. But seriously, if your life depended on the correct answer, what percentage of your position is based on hard-headed, realistic economic analysis about the world as it really is today, and what percentage is based some sort of magical thinking that if we could only regulate things properly, while restricting those dastardly corporations and Chinamen, we could get back to the good old days when Pa could make a good living without knowing a thing?

58 posted on 03/01/2010 10:26:43 PM PST by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: Minn

Ok, you’re right. Things are so much better now that the manufacturing is finished here in America. And Seattle is going to be *awesome* when Boeing moves airliner production to China. And i think it’s way cool that we structured our laws to make it impossible to mine or drill here!
And shutting down farming in California is grand! We can get it cheaper from Mexico anyway. (whats a little ecoli among friends?) And i feel way safer that Mexican truckers can drive all over our country,, when i think Mexico, i think “safe well-maintained truck”.

BTW care to guess who just LOVES open borders? NAFTA free traders, thats who. The same mentality has noooo prob with open borders. The more open, the better.
Open your eyes. Government laws, passed for bankers are just as dangerous to our freedom as slavishly doing what unions bribed them to do in the 60s and 70s.


59 posted on 03/01/2010 10:42:32 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino

Yeh, and watch out for the toothpaste.


60 posted on 03/01/2010 11:05:05 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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