Posted on 02/23/2010 4:10:06 AM PST by look.a.liberal
“It is possible to be personally completetly anti-abortion (I am), believe the current law ought to be changed (I most certainly do) and still feel compelled to respect *the legal right* of others to follow the law as currently written and enforced.”
“follow the law as currently written and enforced”
That is why some people here support Operation Rescue type civil disobedience to protest heinous law (1973), like the civil disobeyers protested unjust laws in the 1960s.
I personally think we need to go beyond even that and fund, finance and promote a Life ethic and abstinence based sex education in the country - crisis pregnancy centers throughout the land and shame and taboo heaped upon young men who would get a young woman pregnant and walk away from her. Also promotion of teaching Life choices in the public schools and private schools (public schools need to give equal hearing to Life Choices, as they are our tax dollars too!!)
Such actions will go far in reducing abortions.
And we need to fight the legal battles that would, as someone opined above, make it illegal to kill a child 5 minutes after birth, but not 5 minutes before birth.
Such laws are HEINOUS on their face.
Such actions go far toward reducing
Oops, last sentence frag shouldn’t be there.
“Understand that I fight against my emotional urges”
That’s a ridiculous comment in light of what you said. Take ownership for the ridiculous thing you said.
Putting a group of people up against walls are what totalitarians do. It’s what Mao and Hitler did.
Is that what/where you are emotionally?
Why be disappointed, the poster does not care. He has not participated in the thread other than to post it. He is a hit and run that should be zotted.
Yes. If you and others re-read my original post you will find that the word "compelled" is used in regard to repecting others' legal rights. That is an important word.
Other than that we all have freedom to discuss whatever but if this turns into an abortion thread our liberal guest will never come back. That would be a shame and a terrible waste of a great opportunity IMHO.
Re-read the post. It explicitly says there will be a response tomorrow. Not everyone can sit at the computer all day like some of us (including me) can.
“compelled”
Right Paul - we’re compelled to comply with heinous laws. That is sad, and an outrage.
I don’t share your views or your company. Moving on...........
It doesn't matter if it's easy or not. If the federal government is exceeding its authority, the only right answer is for it to stop. If you think something needs federal control, amend the Constitution to reflect that. If you can't do that, it means that not enough people agree with you that it's needed at the federal level.
I support abortion rights, but I think that the opposite position is also very reasonable. If abortion is murder, then there is no question that it should be banned at the federal level. If abortion is simply a medical procedure, then it is tyranny for the government to forbid it. Either way, it would seem that the question should be decided on the federal level.
While abortion is definitely a very binary issue as you suggest (I can't stand people who want to compromise on it), I don't necessarily agree that it's a federal matter. Aren't murder laws usually at the state level?
Yet, if we can't reach a consensus about something as basic as whether abortion is murder or an operation, how can we choose to forbid or protect it? I think abortion is a federal-level question that for the moment must unfortunately be decided at the state level.
Does that mean you support overturning Roe vs. Wade, thereby returning the question to the states?
I think a government health-care option would be good for Americans.
I disagree that it would be "good," but there is a more important and more fundamental issue to be answered first. Namely, that the Constitution doesn't allow it. Again, if you think it's that important, campaign for a health care amendment.
As for health care, or any other social welfare program, consider this: it would be wrong for you to pull a gun on me and demand money. We call this "armed robbery." It's morally wrong, and illegal, even if you intend to use the money for some good cause. This doesn't change if you have a couple of accomplices with you; it remains equally wrong. It also doesn't change if you have tens of millions of accomplices, all expressing their support via the ballot box. It's still armed robbery. By your support for compulsory taxation, you are participating in violence against me and my family (and this goes for any tax-happy conservatives reading this, too). I don't do the same to you. Don't you think I'm a pretty tolerant guy for not responding in kind?
That said:
Why be disappointed, the poster does not care.
We are conservatives; that's supposed to mean personal responsibility. We are supposed to be better than they are. Reacting emotionally to those we fear shows we are not.
"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering"
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This little video is helpful for understanding how Americans look at the world.
“Me is Mine, You is Yours”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxnBSb4OKeU
Welcome to Free Republic. Now go away.
The Founders surely understood that the population of the United States would increase over time, and establishing a republican form of government was a defense against the encroachment of "democracy". As the parasite class grows with attendant raids on the public treasury, it becomes more necessary than ever to reinforce republican principles, not to abandon them.
Instead of amending the constitution, we allowed more and more powers to be read into it.
"We" (conservatives) never acquiesced to this. Liberals of both parties advanced the supremacy of case law over the Constitution.
Now it's a status quo that we can't easily abandon.
Granted, it can't easily be abandoned. But it must be, and just as liberal incrementalism has eroded our founding principles, conservatism is experiencing a new awakening, incrementally.
“I don’t think Obama is more tyrannical or arrogant than past presidents. I think a government health-care option would be good for Americans.”
Where do you buy your crack?
Tomorrow he will do the same, post and run.
bing for later read
Even if it is a DUer, posting our reasons for what we believe and why isn’t a bad thing to do.
It’s amazing how often a reference via search engine goes back to a Free Republic post.
Possibly. It's an approch much like Jefferson and Adams took, writing letters each day. It also worked great for centuries before email and electronic public forums.
Our guest doesn't know how this forum works and a slow motion debate is just as good as any.
I’ve got to say it pisses me off that you posted and ran like a drive-by fart.
That said, I think you are conflicted in your thought processes. Take all your moral thoughts, and define what you believe in, not what the media tells you. Once you find out who you are and what you believe in, then you can find a political party that will represent your ideas.
I think you are a liberal testing the conservative waters. Which is good. Many on here have done that. Time takes time, and personal growth happens over time.
Best of luck. Even if you are confused.
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