Posted on 02/22/2010 12:00:32 AM PST by capacommie
It would be good form if he did so, then he could take the naturalization oath and "abjure all other allegiances" and perhaps that might cover any OTHER citizenships he might have (Indonesian)...though he'd never be at the level of a natural born citizen, at least it's a step in the right direction!
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INDONESIAN GO HOME
Excellent. Thanks for posting. Either willfully or in confusion, people don’t seem to get the concept of NBC and why Obama isn’t one.
Hopefully, the visuals will clear things up considerably!
Natural born citizen does not preclude other ties or loyalties, in any document that I can find. Perhaps you would share your reference where you derive your assertion?
No Sh!t. And it is time we the people were heard.
Gallitin was elected senator, but was not allowed to sit, by party line vote. It was asserted that he had not been a naturalized citizen for the 9 required years.
The time to protest would have been when the Senate certified the vote. Of course that wouldn’t have made much difference because the Dems had the majority.
Obama is not a NBC.
I know & I often sit here & wonder if those that voted for 0 are happy with all this hope & change...I know more people that aren’t & they voted for him. I tell them you got what you voted for & by the way tell me one thing 0 did before you decided to vote for him. I never get a single answer.
This time you are correct.
On what is this based?
Well, fraud is always the all-purpose answer.
And, from personal experience, I can tell you that it is VERY easy to provide untrue information for inclusion on a Hawaii birth certificate, even several months or years after the birth, and this information will then be deemed true and determinative for all purposes at law. Don’t ask for details, because they will not be forthcoming, but I will state as a fact that people who think that fraud could not have been commmitted to ensure young Barry of a Hawaiian birth certificate are very, very wrong.
You certainly haven’t looked very hard, have you.
There are essentially only two categories: “Natural Born” and “statutory”.
Natural Born citizens do not rely on any statute for their citizenship. It accrues to them by the natural circumstances of their birth.
Statutory citizenship has at least two varieties, citizenship at birth by statute, and naturalized citizenship. For example, citizenship accruing to a foreign born child of a US citizen and a foreign citizen is determined soley by statute: if the statutory conditions are met, the child is a citizen by birth, but such a child, despite being a citizen at birth is NEVER a Natural Born citizen. My son Gerry is in this category. BTW, the State Department cautions citizens that their foreign born children are not Natural Born, despite being citizens at birth by act of statute.
The reason why the framers did not think it necessary to include a definition of “natural born” within the Constitution itself is that it was a well understood as any word, such as “cat’. “...it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also.”
Really, the only proof of this needed is a full and complete reading and understanding of the Constitutional provision itslef, including the “grandfather” clause, considering that it would have been completely unnecessary to include such a provision if “natural born” did not include the essential element of jus sanguinis.
Oh the things you learn on Free Republic. Although his mother may have had to give up her American citizenship when she took on the title “Lady” Since American law forbids use of “Royalty titles” But facinating nonetheless.
I passed a car yesterday if an Obama/Biden sticker on it. It occured to me that it was the first one I seen in a couple weeks. Before they were on every other car.
An example of a 14th Amendment citizen as defined by the US Supreme Court. The facts of a case:
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Kawakita v. United States
No. 570
Argued April 2-3, 1952
Decided June 2, 1952
343 U.S. 717
CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
"At petitioner's trial for treason, it appeared that originally he was a native-born citizen of the United States and also a national of Japan by reason of Japanese parentage and law. While a minor, he took the oath of allegiance to the United States; went to Japan for a visit on an American passport, and was prevented by the outbreak of war from returning to this country. During the war, he reached his majority in Japan, changed his registration from American to Japanese, showed sympathy with Japan and hostility to the United States,
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MR. JUSTICE DOUGLAS delivered the opinion of the Court.
Petitioner, a national both of the United States and of Japan, was indicted for treason, the overt acts relating to his treatment of American prisoners of war. He was
convicted of treason after a jury trial, see 96 F.Supp. 824, and the judgment of conviction was affirmed. 190 F.2d 506. The case is here on certiorari. 342 U.S. 932.
First. The important question that lies at the threshold of the case relates to expatriation. Petitioner was born in this country in 1921 of Japanese parents who were citizens of Japan. He was thus a citizen of the United States by birth, Amendment XIV, § 1 and, by reason of Japanese law, a national of Japan. See Hirabayashi v. United States," 320 U. S. 81, 320 U. S. 97.
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Come to think of it I don’t see as many bumper stickers either!
Article I Section 8 directive #9 embeds Vittel’s “Law of Nations” into the Constitution. This treatise defines a natural born citizen as one ‘born in the country of parentS who are it’s citizenS”. This is above any law. It is a Constitutional requirement. The Founding Fathers must have known and decided that to implement the requirement for POTUSA in Article II so as to protect POTUSA from foreign influence a definition would be given.
To me it is incredible that there are those on this forum who are willing to argue that the man who has been given the most powerful position in the world with the ability to destroy our nation and the rest of the world should not be compelled to produce any verifiable documentation that would help determine his true identity. This is an issue that goes to the heart of our nation's survival, not a traffic ticket.
Let’s start with releasing his long form birth certificate and any and all amendments.
Just as Reagan gave up his US citizenship to be knighted by the Queen of England...
oh, he didn’t. Nevermind.
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