Is the racist the one in the middle?
And you say that he "succeeded in taking over the leadership of the SCV"?
I couldn't find his name anywhere HERE.
Posted on 02/03/2010 8:57:04 AM PST by cowboyway
The Sons of Confederate Veterans (S.C.V.) is a fraternal organization composed of male descendents of the men who served in the Confederate Armed Forces during the War for Southern Independence. Their emblems include the controversial Confederate battle flag. Their core responsibility is articulated in a charge given to them by Lt. General Stephen D. Lee which calls on them to defend the heritage, honor, and reputation of the Confederate soldier and the Cause they fought for.
The Cause they fought for was individual liberty, state's rights, the original Constitution and the right to secede. In essence, Confederates fought an aggressive Union which would not allow the states to exercise an accepted right of secession. This right had been exercised by all the original states when they withdrew from the government of the Articles of Confederation, and entered the present day United States of America. Further, the Tenth Amendment reserved all powers not addressed in the Constitution to the States and people respectively. And lastly, the new union was formed as each individual state entered the union.
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NS just can’t leave. He threatened to leave after your post #146 cleaned his clock but he just won’t go.
Leave NS!! We’re sick of you and your lies and your pathetic attempts to spin the argument to support some delusional theory that you’ve concocted.
Is the racist the one in the middle?
And you say that he "succeeded in taking over the leadership of the SCV"?
I couldn't find his name anywhere HERE.
NS is the source of constant laughter and Bravo on your latest mockery of his moronic postings.
This isn't exactly revisionist history, although I understand that your willful obtuseness won't allow you to ever admit that it's true. Maybe you need to go to savethescv.org. There's plenty there that you can use to educate yourself on the leadership and internal politics of the SCV.
By the way, the other guy in that picture is Neil Payne. He was once arrested for harboring Louis Beam, the Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan who was being hunted by the FBI. Payne is married to Lyons' wife's sister, the four of them married in the same ceremony at the Aryan Nations compound. Their best man? Funny you should ask. It was Grand Dragon Louis Beam.
I couldn't find his name anywhere HERE.
Then you didn't look very hard. Try the search.
I don't know who he hangs out with; you and NS for all I know.
I do know that you accused him of being a racist and the first thing that my search found was a picture of him with a black man. Kinda of an odd thing for a racist to do, wouldn't you say? Furthermore, it's kinda of an odd thing for a black man to get his picture taken with a white racist, donchathink?
Then you didn't look very hard. Try the search.
The page I linked to was the leadership page. One would think that if he had 'taken over' the SCV, as you charged, then his name must surely be on the leadership page. All that can be found for Lyons on the SCV site is a contact link for a youth camp.
So, bubba, is Lyons the leader of the SCV, as you charged (lied about is more appropriate) or isn't he?
Then clearly you don't know much about HK Edgerton. And here I thought you might be even marginally informed. Did you read the article that accompanied the picture?
So, bubba, is Lyons the leader of the SCV, as you charged (lied about is more appropriate) or isn't he?
I never said that he was the leader of the SCV. I said that he worked with Ron Wilson, along with Denne Sweeney and some others, to win leadership positions in the SCV. Wilson did win and turned Lyons, with his Southern Legal Resource Center, into the SCV's legal team, sending tens of thousands of dollars his way. He has held board positions in the SCV. Like I said, go look at the savethescv.org website and educate yourself.
Bubbatobefemale/non-sense and the Southern Poverty Law center = Cultural Marxist
We should be asking -WHY- They continue with SPLC/ACLU talking points.
Indeed it is, had you taken the effort to actually look into the matter. Brown v. Board of Ed was actually Brown v. Topeka Board of Education, et.al. It was a grouping of similar cases from Kansas, South Carolina, Delaware, D.C. and Virginia.
Actually, I HAD taken such effort each time I was required to write upon it. Tacit accusations only count if they connect. I also did not recommend that starlifter read the website without looking it over myself, which is how I recognized the repackaged language: "In December, 1952, the U.S. Supreme Court had on its docket cases from Kansas, Delaware, the District of Columbia, South Carolina, and Virginia, all of which challenged the constitutionality of racial segregation in public schools." In fact, the site's namesake E.L. Belton was a principle in the appended Delaware case.
And the interesting part in all of this is what happened after Brown. By the time the Supreme Court handed down their decision, the Topeka School System was already well on their way to implementing an integration plan that fully complied with the court's finding. In the Virginia case, Davis v. County School Board of Prince Edward County, the Board of Supervisors for Prince Edward County refused to appropriate any funds for the County School Board for the period 1959-1964, effectively closing the public schools rather than integrate them. In the South Carolina case, Briggs v. Elliott, a three judge panel had voted two to one to uphold segregation. The lone dissenting vote, Judge J. Waite Warring, was driven from the state for his vote supporting segregation. In any event it took years for integration to finally come. In the D.C. case, Bolling v. C. Melvin Sharpe, Southern congressmen and senators did all they could to hinder the implementation of the Brown ruling. And in the Delaware case, Belton v. Gebhart, again it took years before the order was implemented. So on the one hand you have a Yankee state of Kansas fully implementing the ruling in a timely manner and on the other hand you have Southern states and Southern leaders doing everything in their power up to and including doing away with the schools altogether to keep from integrating. And the reaction elsewhere in the South is noteworthy as well. In Virginia, Senator Harry F. Byrd, Sr. organized the Massive Resistance movement that included the closing of schools rather than desegregating them. In 1957, Arkansas Governor Orval Faubus called out his state's National Guard to block black students' entry to Little Rock High School. In Florida the legislature passed an Interposition Resolution in 1957 denouncing the decision and declaring it null and void. (Another attempt at nullification it seems). And of course in 1963, Alabama Gov. George Wallace personally blocked the door to Foster Auditorium at the University of Alabama to prevent the enrollment of two black students.
Of course, you are such a fair and honest fellow that we can depend upon this to be a comprehensive and objective account. I will read it again with the certain hope that I will find scathing denunciation of the Boston desegregation riots. After all, principled crusader that you are, you would never engage in uneven cherry-picking.
Southern honor at its finest indeed.
It is as Southern as nitrogen, according to your standard of proof. You and starlifter both have concluded posts with the claim that any occurrence of segregation within the South makes the institution "Southern" regardless of its scope.
By the way, that isn't some Morris Dees slander. Lyons says it himself on his site.
Of course you won't.
Of course, you are such a fair and honest fellow that we can depend upon this to be a comprehensive and objective account. I will read it again with the certain hope that I will find scathing denunciation of the Boston desegregation riots. After all, principled crusader that you are, you would never engage in uneven cherry-picking.
And you are so fair and honest that the fact that you ignored the Virginia and South Carolina parts of the case in your haste to try and bash the North with it was no doubt simple oversight. But by all means check my facts. Research is to be encouraged among the Southron contingent.
It is as Southern as nitrogen, according to your standard of proof.
It is largely imaginary, according to the Southern representatives who post here.
With YOUR current racist as commander and chief - You question Lyons?
Good find bushpilot1 - thanks for the ping
I’m not worried about Kirk Lyons suing me for saying that he was married by Richard Butler at the Aryan Nations compound, with the Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan as his best man. That’s a proveable fact to which Lyons admits. If he wants to come out from under his rock and sue me, I’ll be more than happy to accept service. If he’s going to sue everyone who has pointed out his racist affilliations, though, he’s going to have a long list.
First: His group moves in
Second: Leftist groups arrive
Third: Small Town - became CNN headline news
Cause and effect - This small minority of leftist bullied our State legislator to pass ‘Hate Crime’ legislation.This new law will get you five years in prison- Say a racial slur and off to prison.
They turned this area into ‘ Nazi Germany vs Soviet Union’ and we've been fighting that stigma ever since.
We view the SPLC & Butler as equals. Which is worse? They both violate peoples rights.
Thanks.
Though I take no pride in besting fools and simpletons, it is good that the record be set straight.
From your post #156 "Kirk Lyons, whose background is even more colorfully racist (his wedding was performed by Richard Butler at the Aryan Nations compound in Idaho), succeeded in taking over the leadership of the SCV"
Bye -bye liar.
BTW, your attempt to impugn the SCV by falsely stating that a 'know racist' was its leader is just another example of how you libs operate. It's the same BS modus operandi that you're currently using to impugn the Tea Party.
By the standards of NS and his northern contingent, the kid on the left is obviously a racist and the kid on the right is under suspicion of being a racist.
I guess whatever education you received didn't include the concept of conjunctions creating multiple subjects for a sentence. Of course, I know that Lost Causers would truly be lost without their creative ways of attempting to shift context and trying to make words mean something different. The actual, complete sentence that I wrote was,
"Several years ago, Ron Wilson, who has a long history of white supremacist activism, and Kirk Lyons, whose background is even more colorfully racist (his wedding was performed by Richard Butler at the Aryan Nations compound in Idaho), succeeded in taking over the leadership of the SCV and turning it into from a heritage-promotion group in a more explicitly political organization with extensive ties to southern nationalist groups like the League of the South."
Now, did you see that part that said "Ron Wilson"? Ron Wilson was the one who actually occupied the seat of Commander in Chief of the SCV.
What happened was that in 2000, Kirk Lyons won a seat in the Army of Northern Virginia department board. In 2002, he ran for commander of that division, the largest and most important of the SCV's three departments, while Wilson ran for national Commander in Chief. Lyons' history became an issue and he lost the election by a small number of votes. Wilson, however, won and appointed Lyons to the national board, while Lyons put Wilson on the board of his Southern Legal Resource Center and gave Wilson's daughter a job there. Wilson then sent all of the SCV's litigation work to Lyons for a series of confederate flag lawsuits.
A shism formed in the SCV between the new wave of leaders who wanted to make the SCV more politically active and the section of the membership who wanted to keep the SCV as it was, mostly devoted to historical preservation, "tombstone polishing" in the words of the Wilson/Lyons faction. These two factions became known as the "Activists" and the "Traditionalists", or, more frequently, the "Lunatics" and the "Grannies." The Grannies pushed for a resolution disavowing racism and Wilson responded by purging large numbers of them, suspended whole camps and attempting to seize their funds. Over the next few years, membership in the SCV plummeted from 30,000 to 18,000.
If you want to give an alternative version of what has happened in the SCV in the last decade, I'd be interested to see it. Otherwise, I await your latest attempt at an ad hominem insult.
By the standards of likesboysway, the mob of people photographed at a lynching couldn't possibly be racist, because there's a black person in the picture.
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