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To: Non-Sequitur
I will preface this response with the clarification that I do not, have never, and will never deny the existence and severity of segregation in the South, nor will I attempt to suggest such a denial in reply to its reference. But neither will I deny, nor affect the denial, that it existed elsewhere.

Indeed it is, had you taken the effort to actually look into the matter. Brown v. Board of Ed was actually Brown v. Topeka Board of Education, et.al. It was a grouping of similar cases from Kansas, South Carolina, Delaware, D.C. and Virginia.

Actually, I HAD taken such effort each time I was required to write upon it. Tacit accusations only count if they connect. I also did not recommend that starlifter read the website without looking it over myself, which is how I recognized the repackaged language: "In December, 1952, the U.S. Supreme Court had on its docket cases from Kansas, Delaware, the District of Columbia, South Carolina, and Virginia, all of which challenged the constitutionality of racial segregation in public schools." In fact, the site's namesake E.L. Belton was a principle in the appended Delaware case.

And the interesting part in all of this is what happened after Brown. By the time the Supreme Court handed down their decision, the Topeka School System was already well on their way to implementing an integration plan that fully complied with the court's finding. In the Virginia case, Davis v. County School Board of Prince Edward County, the Board of Supervisors for Prince Edward County refused to appropriate any funds for the County School Board for the period 1959-1964, effectively closing the public schools rather than integrate them. In the South Carolina case, Briggs v. Elliott, a three judge panel had voted two to one to uphold segregation. The lone dissenting vote, Judge J. Waite Warring, was driven from the state for his vote supporting segregation. In any event it took years for integration to finally come. In the D.C. case, Bolling v. C. Melvin Sharpe, Southern congressmen and senators did all they could to hinder the implementation of the Brown ruling. And in the Delaware case, Belton v. Gebhart, again it took years before the order was implemented. So on the one hand you have a Yankee state of Kansas fully implementing the ruling in a timely manner and on the other hand you have Southern states and Southern leaders doing everything in their power up to and including doing away with the schools altogether to keep from integrating. And the reaction elsewhere in the South is noteworthy as well. In Virginia, Senator Harry F. Byrd, Sr. organized the Massive Resistance movement that included the closing of schools rather than desegregating them. In 1957, Arkansas Governor Orval Faubus called out his state's National Guard to block black students' entry to Little Rock High School. In Florida the legislature passed an Interposition Resolution in 1957 denouncing the decision and declaring it null and void. (Another attempt at nullification it seems). And of course in 1963, Alabama Gov. George Wallace personally blocked the door to Foster Auditorium at the University of Alabama to prevent the enrollment of two black students.

Of course, you are such a fair and honest fellow that we can depend upon this to be a comprehensive and objective account. I will read it again with the certain hope that I will find scathing denunciation of the Boston desegregation riots. After all, principled crusader that you are, you would never engage in uneven cherry-picking.

Southern honor at its finest indeed.

It is as Southern as nitrogen, according to your standard of proof. You and starlifter both have concluded posts with the claim that any occurrence of segregation within the South makes the institution "Southern" regardless of its scope.

168 posted on 02/09/2010 4:36:55 PM PST by Brass Lamp
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To: Brass Lamp
I will preface this response with the clarification that I do not, have never, and will never deny the existence and severity of segregation in the South, nor will I attempt to suggest such a denial in reply to its reference. But neither will I deny, nor affect the denial, that it existed elsewhere.

Of course you won't.

Of course, you are such a fair and honest fellow that we can depend upon this to be a comprehensive and objective account. I will read it again with the certain hope that I will find scathing denunciation of the Boston desegregation riots. After all, principled crusader that you are, you would never engage in uneven cherry-picking.

And you are so fair and honest that the fact that you ignored the Virginia and South Carolina parts of the case in your haste to try and bash the North with it was no doubt simple oversight. But by all means check my facts. Research is to be encouraged among the Southron contingent.

It is as Southern as nitrogen, according to your standard of proof.

It is largely imaginary, according to the Southern representatives who post here.

170 posted on 02/09/2010 5:41:45 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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