Phil Berg calls Lucas Smith to testify against Orly Taitz in Rivernider vs US Bank.

I REALLY REALLY AM THE KING OF FRANCE

AND I KILLED 3 LIONS IN MY PAJAMAS

Its ok ...its a fun argument

Quoting Mik Taerg:

“the claims that the email was invented has been retracted months ago. I was at the beginning of my search on your hoax. I was testing all the elements of your document.”

In your own foregoing words, Mik Taerg, you admit Lucas “Inspector” Smith's accusation that you pushed false unsubstantiated “claims that the email on the CPGH was invented” claiming a hoax which by your own admission you “retracted months ago.” You also falsly claimed that the phone number at CPGH was bogus.

In the legal arena they would say that you, as a witness, have been “impeached”...by yourself!

This is just the latest in a long series of half-baked nits that you have attempted to blow up to undermine the CPGH BC. Your latest theme sloppy reporting and spelling in the Kenyan press regarding Maganga’s name and exact long title and who was top administrator as opposed to top department head at the hospital in a given month. There is nothing conclusive here, yet you claim you know the facts and to you and the facts prove a (yet another) hoax.

And yet you, Mik Taerg, by your own admission here, are the admitted hoaxer of evidence against Lucas Smith! That means you have no credibility as an impartial investigator or as a person who is honestly seeking the truth.

All FReepers can draw their own conclusions from you admission of guilt to the charge by InspectorSmith that you made false claims and false declarations of hoax about the email on the CPGH BC.

Putting order to the findings about Lucas’ certificate

Othigo as Chief Administrator of CPGH

here are the references to Jennifer Othigo as CA of CPGH before Feb 19th 2009, the date stamped above Maganga’s signature obove Lucas’ document.

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/499590/-/tm7r8p/-/index.html
http://www.marsgroupkenya.org/multimedia/?StoryID=227214&page=3
http://www.unmultimedia.org/radio/english/detail/36898.html
http://www.eastandard.net/news/InsidePage.php?id=1144003096&cid=159&;

here are the references that Othigo was still CA until April 13th 2009

Feb 24th http://www.vvog.be/docs/2009/02/24094002.doc
Mar 26th http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=1144009846&cid=159&;
Feb 27th http://www.marsgroupkenya.org/multimedia/?StoryID=247437&p=Nyeri+Town&page=2
Apr 13th http://www.nation.co.ke/InDepth/-/452898/560148/-/tqw6oqz/-/index.html

here are the first refernces to Maganga as CA of CPGH

Jun 17th http://www.kbc.co.ke/story.asp?ID=58041
Jun 2009 (Kenya TV video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vL2ErPz7Qk

so sometimes between Apr 13th and Jun 17th 2009 Maganga became Chief Administrator
Lucas Smith released his fraud in Aug 2009.

Heltan or Helton ?

All articles in The Nation, a Nairobi paper, call him Heltan. Heltan is also what you can read in the subtitles of the previous video.

Only The Standard has spelled him Helton and once even Heltun. Most recent Standard articles refer to Heltan.

There are also two medical directories that spell Heltan Mnjama Maganga

http://sskenya.org/?page_id=254 (found by Lucysmom)
http://www.healthoutsource.co.ke/directory/healthdirectory.php?id=1199

There is also an adress provided by ICHR as to where to send donations
http://blogs.channel4.com/snowblog/2009/10/07/a-doctors-blog-from-kenya/

Why did Lucas make these mistakes ?
Look at the timeline. Lucas first mentioned his certificate on Ebay in Aug 2009. In the previous months he did some research and found the names to list on his document. Maganga, Angawa and another one. Unfortunately he used the Standard article for Maganga’s name, and that’s how he came up with Helton. He performed search between June and July he found Maganga as CA. He is usually quite accurate in avoiding contradictions but for some reason that I never understood he chose Feb 19th as the date of his visit to CPGH. However he omitted to crosscheck the date and the CA. I can only speculate about the reason for Feb 19th, I am inclined to believe that in Feb he was out of the States while, had he stamped June, somebody or something could have testified he was in the US. He has been meticulous in finding doctors’ names and hospital address, why would he have been sloppy at picking the date ?

Lucas’ replies.

Concerning the namespelling Lucas insists it’s customary in Africa to use different spellings. He mentions Quadafi, Gheddafi and others. I have pointed that these are not contradictions but transliterations from different alphabets. Until China provided the official transliteration we spelled Peking now it’s Beijing. Same thing happened in India with Mumbay-Bombay. But the name on your stamp would be one and one only, it’s your legal name. If it happens to be stamped in latin letters, as in the case of Kenya, we could read it without transliteration. In the case of a Chinese stamp we would need to transliterate (transform Chinese ideograms into Roman latin letters) and there can be different transliterations of a unique word.

Concerning Othigo Lucas brought up a zoominfo biography of jennifer Othigo mentioning her as Deputy CA and not CA.

http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Othigo_Merry_1225329118.aspx

he omits to mention that the source articles are from 2007. At that time Othigo was head of obstetrics and deputy CA. My previous links show that she was CA in 2008. But this should give Lucas more thing to doubt. At CPGH head of departments are sometimes deputy CA’s (it certainly depends upon the importance of the dpt) but not CA’s. And there is no evidence to Lucas claim that CPGH might have two or more CA. The only case he found is a University in Ghent If you are still following you might be curious about why he came up with Ghent. The University of Ghent is the founder and organizer of ICHR the reproductive health organization (cofunded by USAID) who’s Kenya offices are inside CPGH. Dr.Maternowska of ICHR Kenya is the one who provided the Heltan Maganga address (linked above) for donations. Lucas’ Ghent theory illustrates how he has attempted to dismiss my findings (which seem to worry him) with new elements. Having been unsuccessfull he has taken the road of characterial attack.

my previous post to All wants to be a summary of where I stay NOW concerning this story.
I have never said I didn’t make mistakes or even claimns which have been successively dismissed. If freepers want to judge me for my mistakes they are free to do so. They can also realize that I do recognize mistakes once I have understood them. The elements I have now reposted have not been dismissed and they are evidence against Lucas. While you may be right at accusing me of doing sloppy search and not sufficiently backchecking what I find, you must admit there are major flaws with Lucas document. I have provided links and sources, you should now confutate the sources not me (I am just the messenger)

For some reason you reply to me on Lucas’ Youtube page. I am banned over there. So why not reply here ? Lucas reads here.
Anyways you affirmed that only a Kenyan official can certify the autenticity of Lucas document. You are certainly right. But in the meanwhile what are we to think ? That it’s authentic ? That all my evidence is void ? No. So here is my suggestion to Lucas since I believe it’s up to him to support his claims. I have supported my evudence obver and over.

Lucas take your fraud to any Kenyan consulate in the US and have it authenticated.

http://apostille.us/Documents/authentication_documents.shtml

“”Embassy (Consular) Legalization” of official documents is a procedure of confirmation of the validity of originals of official documents or certification of authenticity of signatures of the officials, authorized to certify the signatures on documents, and also the validity of prints of stamps, seals by which the document is fastened. The documents for non Hague Countries are subjected to “chain authentication” in the State, Federal and Embassy levels. The Department of State, Authentications Office is responsible for signing and issuing certificates under the Seal of the U.S. Department of Sate providing authentication services on documents that will be used overseas and then they are certified in the Embassy or Consulate of that country for which they will be legalized.”

EMBASSY AND CONSULATE ADDRESSES

Diplomatic Representation in US:
Ambassador: Peter OGEGO
Embassy: 2249 R Street NW, Washington, DC 20008
Telephone: [1] (202) 387-6101
FAX: [1] (202) 462-3829

Consulate(s) General are in:
Los Angeles
4801 Wilshire Bl.,
Los Angeles, CA 90010.
(323) 939-2408

New York
424 Madison Av.,
New York, NY 10017.
(212) 486-1300

see ? they could even authenticate his Maganga seal

I remember reading the transcript of the proceedings in Judge Lands court that Orly Taitz went to the Kenyan embassy to have the birth certificate authenticated but was denied. I don’t know if it was for the first fake BC or the second one. Indeed, I agree with you. Why don’t Lucas do as you’ve suggested!

“see ? they could even authenticate his Maganga seal”

Obama’s Luo tribal "cousin" Odinga (for whom Obama directly campaigned and raised money for in violation of US law) is President of Kenya. The US State Dept has currently banned a dozen Kenya government officials from obtaining US visas due to rampant corruption. The national police chief was fired the week after Lucas Smith went public with his BC and CPGH records have been reportedly impounded and all Obama relatives have declined all interviews under instructions from the Obama team.

What do you think the chances are that the Kenya Embassy will authenticate the CPGH that would render Obama ineligible to be POTUS?

so basically what you are saying is that since Obama’s dad was Kenyan no Kenyan certification is possible. So given the Luo, Odinga stuff it would be a waste of time. How nice a situation ! Lucas can go on to infinity since only Kenya can authenticate his documento but won’t do so because Obama’s dad was a Luo. No one can dispute Lucas’ claims, this is the perfect scam. I surrender. Lucas won.

Instead I believe they will either confirm or deny the authenticity of the stamp.

“Obama’s Luo tribal “cousin” Odinga (for whom Obama directly campaigned and raised money for in violation of US law) is President of Kenya.”

Very convenient of you to insert “cousin”? Why don’t we say “kin”? Obama the President is not a member of the Luo tribe, the President’s father was. I’d suggest for you to review your books on cultural anthropology. Please tell me where I can find the link/s (credible sites please) accusing and finding guilty the President for campaigning and raising money for the Kenyan President in violation of US law? By the way Mwai Kibaki is the President of Kenya. Raila Odinga is the Prime Minister.

“The US State Dept has currently banned a dozen Kenya government officials from obtaining US visas due to rampant corruption.”...

I’ve come accross reading one (1)Kenyan gov’t official being denied visa to the US due to his records on human rights violations. Please tell me the link/s to the “dozen Kenyan gov’t officals being denied visas for rampant corruption.”

“The national police chief was fired the week after Lucas Smith went public with his BC and CPGH records have been reportedly impounded”....Ahah! this one came from a very reliable source...JEROME CORSI, Right?

“and all Obama relatives have declined all interviews under instructions from the Obama team.”...Link/s Please! I want to verify this! Thanks!

You are correct, but that is totally besides the point. Odinga is Prime Minister after coming in a close second in the presidential campaign in which Obama assisted him. Obama is of Luo descent. Last time I checked, you don't lose tribal identity by changing citizenship. As Prime Minister, a position he got by blackmaining the President by having his followers riot after the election loss, Odinga is in a position to influence whether Lucas Smith's CPGH BC is authenticated.

On corrupt Kenyan politicians, yes, just one was annouced recently as being denied a visa, but he was added to a “long list” of Kenyans:

http://www.zimtelegraph.com/show_top_stories.php?id=206

Published: Thursday, March 19, 2009

“Nairobi, Kenya - The United States said on Tuesday it had added another prominent Kenyan official on its list of those permanently banned from traveling to the US over their engagement in official corruption and the ban was extended to the entire family.

“US ambassador to Kenya Michael Ranneberger said the US had a new addition to its growing list of officials permanently barred from seeking or obtaining an American visa for engaging in corruption in high places.

“’We are continuing to monitor the situation in Kenya, including collecting infor mation on acts of corruption engaged in by public officials,’ the US envoy said at a news conference to announce the latest step, which, he said, was just one among weapons.”

I got the story about the Kenya Police Chief from the BBC, but here is the Time version:

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1921781,00.html?xid=rss-topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+time%2Ftopstories+%28TIME%3A+Top+Stories%29

“The symbolism was impossible to ignore. Last Tuesday, Sept. 8, the chief of the Kenyan police — tainted by accusations that since he took charge, around the time of Kenya's presidential election in 2007, his men had waged a campaign of illegal killings — was fired and put in charge of the postal service. His deputy, meanwhile, was quite literally put out to pasture, with a new job at the Ministry of Livestock.

“Could this be the first cannon shot in the Kenyan government's long-promised war against corruption and impunity in the police force?”

As to Obama’s Kenya relatives refusing to comment on Obama’s place of birth and saying they have been told not to discuss this, there are too many such reports. You can look those up yourself.

“Instead I believe they will either confirm or deny the authenticity of the stamp.”

The point is that Kenya, under the notorious Prime Minister Odinga, is so corrupt and tribally related to Obama that no one in their right mind would believe a denial based on their say-so.

To satisfy partisans from both sides, more that just the FRE requirement of Kenyan government authentication or denial would be needed. I would expect that a forensic analysis in Kenya of the original CPGH BC in the hospital files would be needed.

This would include signature samples from the original doctor and witness as well as interviews with Maganga and validation of his stamp and a hospital seal impression.

There should also be comparisons made with other BC’s from August 1961, and open access to interviews with potential 1961 witnesses would close finally close the issue. It is pointless and grossly unfair to criticize Lucas Smith for "failing" to provide this extremely expensive forensic analysis that would require enormous political influence to initiate.

Per Smith's affidavit in CA he said he requested Taitz to use her money, influence and legal means to initiate exactly this kind of authentication to the extent possible, but she told Smith that this was unnecessary, apparently because she didn't understand the FRE.

You, Mik Taerg, may not be dissuaded from your personal vendetta against Lucas Smith by fairness and logic, but I suspect that most FReepers will.

“Instead I believe they will either confirm or deny the authenticity of the stamp.”

The point is that Kenya, under the notorious Prime Minister Odinga, is so corrupt and tribally related to Obama that no one in their right mind would believe a denial based on their say-so.

To satisfy partisans from both sides, more that just the FRE requirement of Kenyan government authentication or denial would be needed. I would expect that a forensic analysis in Kenya of the original CPGH BC in the hospital files would be needed.

This would include signature samples from the original doctor and witness as well as interviews with Maganga and validation of his stamp and a hospital seal impression.

There should also be comparisons made with other BC’s from August 1961, and open access to interviews with potential 1961 witnesses would close finally close the issue. It is pointless and grossly unfair to criticize Lucas Smith for "failing" to provide this extremely expensive forensic analysis that would require enormous political influence to initiate.

Per Smith's affidavit in CA he said he requested Taitz to use her money, influence and legal means to initiate exactly this kind of authentication to the extent possible, but she told Smith that this was unnecessary, apparently because she didn't understand the FRE.

You, Mik Taerg, may not be dissuaded from your personal vendetta against Lucas Smith by fairness and logic, but I suspect that most FReepers will.

“Obama assisted him”…Again, there is no proof that Obama assisted Odinga. Obama visited Kenya in his official capacity as a US Senator.

“Obama is of Luo descent. Last time I checked, you don’t lose tribal identity by changing citizenship”… Indeed, we identify with which we descended from. But you are not a member of that tribe whom your ancestors belong to unless you grew up in that tribe. You see… (groups) tribes, clans, nations are differentiated along linguistic (written and spoken) lines, culture, traditions, rituals, societal norms, etc. You can try as hard as you can until you turn blue affirming your membership to that tribe but you’ll only be considered one if you pass the tribe’s rites of passage (language,culture, etc…)..Here is a modern implication of what this is all about…Just recently in the news Raila Odinga stated…”Obama is not Kenyan, he is American”… meaning… Obama is not a member of the Kenyan (group, tribe, clan, nation), he is a member of the American (group, tribe, clan, nation).

“The national police chief was fired the week after Lucas Smith went public with his BC and CPGH records have been reportedly impounded”…Yes, the national police chief was fired in September 8, Lucas made public his BC in August, he purportedly acquired that BC in February. The national police chief was fired due to… ”accusations that since he took charge, around the time of Kenya’s presidential election in 2007, his men had waged a campaign of illegal killings”. There is no report in the news that “CPGH records have been impounded” except from the very credible Jerome Corsi of the WND. You made it sound as if the national police chief was fired because Lucas got hold of a “top secret document” thus the CPGH records were impounded. Do you really have to put a spin on what’s in the news?

“As to Obama’s Kenya relatives refusing to comment on Obama’s place of birth and saying they have been told not to discuss this, there are too many such reports. You can look those up yourself.”…If there are too many reports, why then can’t I find any? I’d appreciate it if you can help me find just one credible news report.

“for whom Obama directly campaigned and raised money for in violation of US law”…You’ve not proven this with any link as well!

“The point is that Kenya, under the notorious Prime Minister Odinga, is so corrupt and tribally related to Obama that no one in their right mind would believe a denial based on their say-so.”…

Let me remind you that Obama has a familial relationship with either Dick Cheney or George Bush. Let me reiterate, Obama is not a member of the luo tribe! With your statement, you make it sound as if there is a connivance between Odinga and Obama…Prove it please!

“To satisfy partisans from both sides, more that just the FRE requirement of Kenyan government authentication or denial would be needed. I would expect that a forensic analysis in Kenya of the original CPGH BC in the hospital files would be needed.”…

This statement sounds conciliatory but in reality a diversion. Lucas has not given any answers to some basic questions. Why then offer to have the BC be subjected to analysis in Kenya? You also contradict yourself by saying that CPGH files were already impounded as a result of Lucas acquisition of Obama’s BC and that the national police chief was fired. There is no court in the USA who will order for the authentication of Lucas’ Obama BC. Our courts already know that Obama is a Natural Born citizen of US. His COLB is a satisfactory evidence because it’s attested to for by qualified government officials. Then lately, as of November 12, 2009 in Ankeny v Indiana, the court of appeals reaffirmed that Barack Hussien Obama is a Natural born citizen thus making him qualified to be the POTUS. Therefore, if the COLB is a valid document, what does that make of Lucas’ BC?

“There should also be comparisons made with other BC’s from August 1961, and open access to interviews with potential 1961 witnesses would close finally close the issue.”….

So you want a statement from a person during that that time?....here’s one from the Post and Email….

“ Due to the controversial nature of this news, and on account of having corresponded with Mr. Leo Odera Omolo, previously, who claims to be a life long friend of the late father of the U.S. President, I asked Mr. Omolo for his reaction to the Lucas Document.
“The birth certificate is a master forgery-work,” says Omolo; it “does not reflect what kind of hospital birth certificates, bearing the British coat of arms, that we have in 1961. Mark you: Kenya was at the time still a British colony, and all the important documents, like a birth certificate, used to bear the coat of arms entitled “Colony and Protectorate of Kenya.” He further claims personal knowledge of what such certificates look like, saying: “Personally I have three children with my own from 1959, 1969 and 1962, and their hospital-issued certificate is quite different.”
Mr. Omolo goes on to explain in his email that the attending physician could not have reasonably been thought to be present: “Dr. James Ang’awa, whose name appears in the certificate, was by then in charge of the Tuberculosis Unit at King George V Hospital in Nairobi, and could not have gone to Mombasa specifically to issue a birth certificate in a hospital where he did not work in . . .”
He then reaffirms his knowledge of the late Barrack H. Obama Snr., and says he was not in the country in 1961: “As far as I was an adult and the person who knew the late Barrack Obama Snr very well, the man left this country in 1959 and never set foot in Kenya until after independence. Kenya became Independent on December 12th,1963, and Obama returned home two years later not with Ann Dunham but with Ruth, and that was the first time I saw him return.”

“It is pointless and grossly unfair to criticize Lucas Smith for “failing” to provide this extremely expensive forensic analysis that would require enormous political influence to initiate.”

Yes it is unfair to criticize Lucas Smith but it’s also unfair of him to resort to name calling when he can’t answer basic questions. It will not cost Lucas a dime to prove that he went to Kenya. Okey just give me the following information.. what airlines did he take to and from Kenya and the date of his flights. I can check the airlines manifest if he was onboard. In fact, that is not a confidential info and that anyone can verify that.

“Per Smith’s affidavit in CA he said he requested Taitz to use her money, influence and legal means to initiate exactly this kind of authentication to the extent possible, but she told Smith that this was unnecessary, apparently because she didn’t understand the FRE.”….

According to Larry Sinclair’s affidavit, Orly Taitz knew that Lucas’ BC is a fake!

“You, Mik Taerg, may not be dissuaded from your personal vendetta against Lucas Smith by fairness and logic, but I suspect that most FReepers will. “…

Hey, as for me? I don’t have any personal vendetta against Lucas, but logic tells me that one must pass point “A” in order to go to point “B”. Logic tells me that Lucas has not been forthcoming with his answers.

Welcome to Free Republic, Sectumsepra

It may take a while for me to answer your questions at the moment. In the meantime there may be some other FReepers that I have pinged who might be interested in following up with you on your comments #94 and #95 questioning whether Obama ever campaigned with Odinga and may have violated US law in doing so.

Beginning at your comment #63 you appear to have come to FR primarily to debunk FReeper Lucas Smith's CPGH BC and to defend Obama and Obama’s eligibility.

ODM MEMO. SOURCE

ODM document January 20 2008 at 4:26 PM P.M.

INTERNAL MEMO

FROM: SHAKEEL SHABBIR (CAMPAIGN RESOURCES ACCOUNTING SECTION)

TO: HON. O. MAGARA (NATIONAL TREASURER)

SUBJECT: CONSOLIDATED STATEMENT OFF CAMPAIGN FINANCIAL ACTIVITIES

DATE: 9TH NOVEMBER 2007

INCOMING RESOURCES

(DONATION CONVERTED TO KSHS)

Friends of Senator BO 66,000,000

FACTBOX - Kenyan opposition leader Raila Odinga Sat Oct 6, 2007 6:11am EDT(Reuters) - Opposition leader Raila Odinga was formally launching on Saturday the election campaign of his Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) ahead of a December vote.SOURCE

Here are key facts about him:

* The 62-year-old was born on Jan 2, 1945, in Maseno, west Kenya. He comes from the Luo tribe, one of Kenya's largest.

* Raila is the son of Jaramogi Oginga Odinga, a nationalist hero and Kenya's first vice president after 1963 independence from Britain. His father later became a key opposition figure against the governments of both founding President Jomo Kenyatta and his successor President Daniel arap Moi.

* Viewed as a firebrand by many Kenyans, Raila's confession in a book that he masterminded an attempted coup in 1982 instilled the perception further. Now he is trying to project a more moderate, business-friendly face.

* Educated in communist former East Germany, Odinga named his first-born son Fidel Castro. Representing Nairobi's Kibera slum, one of Africa's largest, Odinga projects himself as a champion of the poor. But he has a large business empire and falls squarely into Kenya's wealthy elite.

* Analysts say his policies would differ little from Raila's, though his style could be more confrontational than incumbent President Mwai Kibaki's laid-back style.

* Odinga was jailed for a total of eight years on separate occasions by former president Moi for protesting against one-party rule. After the coup bid, he was briefly charged with treason, before fleeing to Norway for a brief period of exile.

* A former ally of Kibaki, he helped him win power in 2002 and served for three years in his cabinet before being sacked for campaigning against him in a 2005 constitutional referendum.

* That plebiscite saw the emergence of Odinga's Orange Democratic Party, currently ahead in polls. Odinga's flamboyant style has seen him driving to rallies in a bright red Hummer H2 -- said to be Kenya's first -- that has drawn gawping crowds.

NOW HERE'S A LITTLE CLUE:

Jaramogi Oginga Odinga attended the same school at Maseno as BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA SENIOR.

Obama-backed ally forged pact with radical Muslims.SOURCE

Obama visited Kenya in 2006, while President Kibaki was locked in the election contest against Odinga.

The Kibaki administration objected that Odinga was using Obama's visit to win votes. Obama's repeated public appearances with Odinga and the senator's almost daily criticism of the Kibaki government added to the administration's objections.

A report by Chicago's WBBM-TV news team, which covered Obama in Kenya, shows Obama in Kenya making statements critical of the Kibaki government.

SEE VIDEO

Two separate video segments in the news broadcast document that Obama spoke at the offices of Kenya's oldest newspaper, the Standard, where he accused the Kibaki government of suppressing freedom of speech, and at the University of Nairobi, where he accused the administration of corruption.

The WBBM broadcast noted that criticizing the Kenyan government was "something [Obama] has done almost every day since he arrived in Kenya last week."

The news report also showed repeated clips of Odinga accompanying Obama at various speaking appearances in Kenya, so much so that the news broadcaster commented in the background that Odinga "has been at Obama's elbow here fairly often."

The WBBM news team also interviewed on camera Kenyan government spokesman Alfred Mutua, who accused Obama of meddling inappropriately in Kenyan presidential politics.

Mutua said politely but pointedly that "I think Odinga has to look at critically where he is receiving his advice from. Just because somebody wants to run for president, and he is using Senator Obama as his stooge, as his puppet, to be able to get where he wants to get."

Odinga's agreement with Muslim leaders

Although Odinga professes to be an Anglican Christian, concerns even today continue to circulate that he intends to pursue an undeclared radical Islamic political agenda.

The concerns grew, especially among Kenya's Christian leaders, as rumors circulated prior to the December 2007 presidential election that Odinga had signed a secret agreement with radical Muslim leaders.

Finally, a Memorandum of Understanding, or MOU, which Odinga had signed with radical Muslims was posted on the website of the Evangelical Alliance of Kenya, a national Christian religious organization established in 1975.

What appears documented by Kenyan newspaper and television news reports is that Odinga, representing the Orange Democratic Movement, or ODM, and Sheik Abdullah Abdi, the chairman of the National Muslim Leaders Forum, or NAMLEF, signed an agreement Aug. 29, 2007.

The second news video shows a press conference held during the Kenyan election campaign and broadcast in Kenya by Nairobi-based NTV.

The NTV news report shows Sheik Abdullah Abdi, the chairman of NAMLEF, discussing the MOU point-by-point.

SEE VIDEO

The NTV report ends by showing the three-page MOU clearly enough for the document to be recognized.

"For their own separate reasons, Odinga and Sheik Abdullah Abdi joined forces," Corsi wrote. "Sheik Abdullah Abdi agreed to swing Islamic voters to Odinga in Kenya and Odinga agreed to support Islam should he become president."

Corsi continued, "By endorsing Raila Odinga during his 2006 visit to Kenya, Obama positioned himself to be seen by Kenyans as an important U.S. senator who was joining forces with his Luo tribal kinsman. This positioning further sided Obama with Raila Odinga as he ran against President Mwai Kibaki in the December 2007 presidential election in Kenya."

When Obama decided to support Odinga, Corsi noted, Obama embraced the extreme left wing of Kenyan politics, going back to Raila Odinga's father, Odinga Odinga, known as "Double-O," who was overtly communistic during the presidency of Jomo Kenyatta.

Odinga's current party, the Orange Democratic Party, or ODM, is a leftist-socialist political party that stops short of being openly communist.

an interesting post.
Some information about Lucas’ trip to Kenya:
Lucas said he landed in Congo-Kinshasa and from there he travelled into Kenya. There is no border between the two countries so Lucas had to cross other nations in order to reach his destination. Since he affirms to have crossed the Congolese jungle I assume he took the land route. This is not impossible but highly improbable, given the enormous distances, the jungle, the bad roads and the fact that eastern Congo is still held by the Tusti rebels allied to Rwanda. Lucas says he went to Congo on a mission for some “water agency”. For your info the major project related to water currently being developed in Congo is the largest dam in the world on the River Congo http://www.afrol.com/articles/15754. Congo has the vasted untapped hydroelectric potential in the world.
Lucas never named this agency, I asked him more than once.
Lucas never mentioned how he entered kenya. All he tols ud is about a BMW he rented in Nairobi and that he and Andylenny drove to Mombasa. In another instance Lucas stated he was in Mombasa in spring 2009, the date stamped on the certificate is Feb 19th, winter. I consider this a minor mistake believing Lucas to be a bit confused about seasons.
On Ebay he posted pics of himself on a rooftop in a location which is allmost certainly a barrio in Santo Domingo. His video are also shot in Santo Domingo. He has never denied the location but he has affirmed that the pics had been posted to illustrate what he calls African settings. There are absolutely no identifiable kenyan settings in any of the images he has provided.
Odinga seems to be the perfect excuse not only for claiming difficulties at obtaining Kenyan certification of the document but also to not even attempt a contact.
Wll again here is what I suggest Lucas to do. Without going as far as demanding certification of the entire document one could verify, through the Kenyan consulate the authenticity of the hospital stamp. Since he knows the answer aforehand (it’s fake)Lucas will affirm that Kenya’s eventual confirmation of forgery will not amount to debunking but only to further evidence of Obama Odinga ties.
If what I have found (wrong spelling, wrong CA, wrong settings) is not sufficient to uncover the scam there is really nothing I can do about it except to monitor Lucas and continue to argue against his claims.
This is not a personal vendetta. I have nothing personal against Lucas. But quite frankly I am sick and tired of people who make absurd false claims on the net and go unchallenged.
I have respect for opinions that differ from mine, I highly value the freedom of changing my mind in the face of new elements, arguments and facts. I would be considered liberal on some aspects but highly conservatibe on others. For example I am against abortion but also against the death penalty, I dont’t agree to gay marriage but I understand gay couples exist and must be regulated. I am for gun rights but against machine-gun rights. It’s complex.
So it’s nice to have this discussion about Lucas, there are sufficient elements to stay factual.

sorry, my last post to Sectumsepra was in fact a reply to Seizethecarp

“Beginning at your comment #63 you appear to have come to FR primarily to debunk FReeper Lucas Smith’s CPGH BC and to defend Obama and Obama’s eligibility.”...

Ha ha ha ha Didn’t I tell you that I don’t harbor any personal vendetta against Lucas? I simply want him to prove his kenyan bc. It appears to me that when you can’t rebut an assertion that you will now start an animosity between us?...I’d really prefer for Lucas Smith to answer all of my questions. And please don’t post any insults as I will not do that to you or anyone!