Posted on 01/02/2010 12:57:48 PM PST by Blueflag
Need some FReeper help here. I now have my dad's Model 11 Remington shotgun. It's a 12 G, 2 3/4" shells, serial number 744763. Mod choke. Made 1940s or earlier.
I'd like to clean and prep it quite thoroughly prior to its trip to a gunsmith for a safety/ops check.
Anybody have a good source for how to dissemble/clean it?
many thanks!
I'd like to clean and prep it quite thoroughly prior to its trip to a gunsmith for a safety/ops check.
Anybody have a good source for how to dissemble/clean it?
many thanks!
There are probably videos on it out on YouTube.
Take it to a trusted ‘smith’ for the work. A good smithie will check the action as well as the bore and primary firing mechanism.
A few dollars will pay dividends!
Link:
http://www.amazon.com/.Digest-Book-Firearms-Assembly-Disassembly/dp/0873494008/ref=dp_cp_ob_b_title_2
I actually checked youtube first; didn’t find a video on dis-assembly/cleaning. Several videos were fascinated with the recoil mechanism, but nuthin *I* found guides assembly/cleaning.
But I coulda just missed it.
Unless you really know the gunsmith is good I’d let well enough alone and just clean and oil it .. free owners manual with takedown/disassembly http://www.remington.com/Pages/News-and-Resources/Downloads/Owners-Manuals.aspx
I agree.
I just wanted to clean it up good prior to dropping it off. It’s been stored in a hard-side carrying case for years. It was put away oiled and clean, but my dad had never taken it out of the case for probably 20 years!
Beautiful gun. Action works smoothly.
Thanks for the advice.
LOL .. “Niedermeyer” ... got the silver helmet?
I had found that site but it doesn’t list the model 11 from the 1940s and earlier. I have to request the ‘obsolete manual’ . Thanks anyways!
Just re-oil with rem oil and wipe everything your finger can reach with a rag. Theres no need to detail strip a pump, ever IMO. unless it was oiled with junk that gums up over time.
I'd pull the thing apart and clean it just once, and then put it up on the shelf until kingdom come.
Semiauto shotguns are probably the single kind of firearm which has come the furthest in the last fifty or sixty years. The new ones have screw-in chokes so you don't need separate shotguns for every kind of use, they're much more reliable, much faster, much easier to clean, and many have recoil attenuation mechanisms including ported barrels, back boring, and things like the Beretta kickoff.
The Beretta Xtrema-II is one of life's bargains. Beretta makes its money on guns costing 3G - 30G and up and forces dealers to take a certain number of the hunting guns which are generally sold on the internet. The 900 - 1400 pricetag which you see on gunbroker.com for the Xtrema-II in various configurations can't be much more than the cost of producing the thing and shipping it here. It's all either stainless or man-made and totally immune to any and all weather, can handle all 12ga sizes including the 3.5 mags, and has a heavy spring and bleedoff valve so that you can shoot skeets one day and geese the next without changing anything other than ammo. It's startlingly easy to pull apart and clean and doesn't really need much cleaning beyond a bore snake and some chemical to take off plastic wadding residue, which all shotguns need.
The Model 11 is a cousin to the Browning “humpback” A5. Semi-auto, squared-off back of the receiver, semi-auto 12ga.
I found you an exploded view. An exploded view of the A5 might also help.
http://www.okiegunsmithshop.com/Remington_Model_11.jpg
The #1 reason why I would recommend that you not do it yourself is that you probably don’t have the required set of screwdrivers to take down a firearm without mashing up the screws. If you look at the set of screwdrivers used by a smith, you’ll see that they’re precision instruments, with blades that fit the screw slots *exactly* - like with less than a thousandth clearance to the sides. This prevents you from making a mess out of a screw if you need to put some torque into removing it. On top of that, I’m guessing you also don’t have a set of brass punches or drifts and a soft hammer with which to drive them.
If you want to buy such a set of screwdrivers, Midway USA and Brownells sell sets - reckon on from $70 to $90 for a set that includes interchangeable bits that fit most screws.
A smith might charge only $50 to strip and clean it. Since you’re taking it there anyway, I’d just have him clean it, because he’s already going to be into it to check the moving components. NB that parts for the Model 11 are difficult to get, so if you or he screws something up in the take-down, or something already is broken, you might be looking at making the piece yourself to get the gun shooting again.
Good advice. I had previously found the connection between the A5 and the Model 11. The Model 11 was apparently built in the US under a license.
I kinda figure that Remington did NOT want owners to get into the mechanisms behind screws. Every other Remington long gun I have comes apart easily WITHOUT using a screwdriver (EXCEPT to remove the barrel assembly from a receiver).
The Model 11’s barrel and tube came off quite readily, but nothing else.
I’ll go with the advice of cleaning and oiling what I can reach, and then handing it over to a ‘smith for testing.
I’d like to use it. It’s a family/heritage thing to go hunting with your dad’s shotgun that he’s FINALLY passed along ;-) [ he’s 87 ]
Why do you want to disassemble? You are asking for problems that don’t exist.
To check for/ remove gunk, grime, gum, corrosion. To clean, lubricate, etc. The usual ‘owner maintenance’ of a fine firearm.
I have no intent of taking apart a trigger mechanism, etc. This was just to ascertain what is the right owner maintenance to perform, and how to do it.
No different than what I would do with any of my other long guns.
If the action works fine, no need to disassemble. Leave it alone. Unless you know the reputation of the gunsmith to be excellent, I wouldn’t have him mess with it either.
Also... I know you didn't ask, but DON'T store the gun in a case, etc. Get it home clean and just stand it up in a dry place that has good air circulation. (Assuming you don't have a safe.)
+1 on number 10, too. If it’s an heirloom keep it, shoot it now and then, and get something else to hunt with.
Did you check with Remington? You should be able to contact any gun mfg for a copy of an owners manual for models they produce(d).
Agreed.
On this shotgun, the barrel, breach and carrier all recoil as one unit. About an hour ago, I could NOT get the action to work smoothly; it was very sticky and felt quite ‘dry’. After simple dis-assembly, cleaning and oiling, the action works readily and smoothly. Should be good to go.
If I get brave (and it freaking warms up a bit!) I may take it out back and burn up some birdshot rounds just to see how it works.
*IF* I encounter any irregularities, I’ll get it professionally refurbed.
Thanks.
Isn't that sorta like thoroughly cleaning the house before the housekeeper shows up?
Pay a little extra and have the gunsmith strip it and check it out. He has the proper screwdrivers and brass punches to properly dismantle the gun without damaging the screws or scratching the surfaces of the metal. He can adjust it as needed for proper operation.
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