FR 2009 NFL WEEK 16 LIVE THREAD

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FR 2009 NFL WEEK 16 LIVE THREAD

December 25th

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[The Pack Knight]

Colts over Bills. Think the Colts want to go into the playoffs losing two in a row and having half the players wondering what kind of Nancy they have coaching them? Painter stays on the sidelines with his watercolors, Brohm wishes he was back at Louisville, and Colts win by two touchdowns.

Panthers over Saints. I don’t care if the Saints care about winning this one or not, the Panthers are just playing like a better team right now. Moore nails down a starting job for next year.

Bears over Lions. Betting on the Lions is a good way to lose money, especially when they’re playing their 3rd string quarterback.

Steelers make it 3 in a row. Both these teams have problems, but the Dolphins’ are worse. They might win the division next year, but this season’s over for them.

Vikings over Giants. The Giants and Vikings are both playing like crap right now. Both lost to the Panthers, but the Giants lost bigger.

Bucs over Falcons. The Bucs have Matt Ryan’s number.

Niners over Rams. If the Rams were playing Villanova, I might take even odds.

Pats over the Texans. The Texans look like a playoff team right now - shame they won’t make it.

Browns over the Jags, against my better judgment. Hard to see the Browns winning 4 in a row, but they seem to have something going.

Eagles over the Cowboys. This is the big one, and these are the two hottest teams in the NFC, other than the Packers. The Eagles just look better, though, and it’s about time we saw the Tony “Mr. December” Romo we all know and love.

Broncos over the Chiefs. No more freak upsets for KC.

Chargers over the Skins. Zorn is sorta playing for his job (he’s gone either way), Campbell is playing for a job somewhere, and I think the rest of the team want to help them both, but the Redskins are a mess. The Chargers, on the other hand, want to keep their streak going and probably want to help Rivers stay undefeated in December.

Titans over the Seahawks. The Titans caught a bad break having to play the Chargers last week, and the Seahawks have completely gone down the toilet.

Raiders over the Ravens. I’ll take a flyer on Charlie Frye ending the Ravens’ season.

Cardinals over the Packers. The Cards have more to play for.

Jets over the Bengals. I actually don’t think this will be close, even if the Bengals do play their starters (they probably won’t if the Patriots win). I agree with Rodney Harrison - the Bengals aren’t as good as people think, and they backed into the championship of a surprisingly weak division. The big thing, though - Ochocinco is a huge part of their offense, and Darrelle Revis will shut him down, just like he has every other marquee receiver he’s faced.

[big'ol_freeper]

I'll get my winning picks to you sometime before Sunday. I'm still running the analysis.

[cleveland gop]

Keep running that analysis, big boy!! You and everyone else are playing for 2nd place, AGAIN!!!!

Still hate picking against GB. But sometimes yous gots to dos what yous gots to dos.....

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[Richard Kimball]

Good thoughts from everyone. A few of mine: Will the Colts deliberately throw the game against the Bills? The Indianapolis brass has been throwing out increasingly stupid statements, like that they'd set goals of having the longest home winning streak, the longest regular season winning streak, but didn't think an undefeated season was that important. Teddy Bruschi called them out on the NFL network, and the NY Daily news ran a picture with the caption "Thanks, Dolts!" I don't know how it will play out, but the Colts turned their backs on a chance at history.

I don't think the Saints rest their starters against the Panthers, cause they may not have anything to play for, but they need to get back on track. I don't know if they will, though.

Titans-Seahawks: Against the Chargers, the Titans pass defense looked as bad as it did when the team opened 0-6. Course the Seahawks aren't the Chargers.

On the Browns-Jaguars, the Jags have faint playoff hopes, but they're on a three game losing streak and the Browns are on a three game winning streak, although the Jags have played the tougher schedule.

Whew! I'm joining Big 'ol and doing some more number crunching before making the rest of my picks. On the Steelers-Fins, last week I said I didn't even think the referee special sauce the Steelers always get would be enough. Well, I didn't think even the officials would have the guts to run 113 yards in penalties for the Ravens to 20 for the Steelers and call back two touchdowns.

Means nothing				Affects Seeding			Playoff eligibility game (maybe)
Final Week Special!!! Next Week is Playoffs!!
	Awards!!!
DAY	The Games!!!	Richard Kimball	Bender 2	Big Ol Freeper	Cleveland GOP	Kevin Davis	NJ Rep Biker Chick	The Pack Knight	campaignPete
Sun 1:00	Colts at Bills		Colts		Clots			Colts	BUFF
1:00	Saints at Panthers		Panthers		Panthers			Panthers	CAROLINA
1:00	Bears at Lions	Bears	Da Bears		Da Bears			Bears	CHICAGO
1:00	Steelers at Fins		Phins		Cheating Stillers			Steelers	US Steel
1:00	Giants at Vikings		Jints		Viqueens			Vikings	MINN
1:00	Falcons at Bucs		Falcons		Dirty Byrds			Bucs	ATL
1:00	49ers at Rams	49ers	9ers		94'ers			Niners	SF49
1:00	Pats at Texans		Texicans		Allegra's Texicans			Pats	HOUS
1:00	Jags at Browns		Browns		Jags			Browns	JAX
4:15	Eagles at Cowboys		my Boys		Iggles			Eagles	PHIL
4:15	Chiefs at Broncos	Broncos	Mules		Horsies			Broncos	DEN
4:15	Skins at Chargers		Chargers		Super Chargers			Chargers	REDSKINS
4:15	Titans at Seahawks		Titans		Old Oilers			Titans	TENN
4:15	Ravens at Raiders	Ravens	Ravens		Das Ravens			Raiders	BALT
4:15	Pack at Cards		Pack		Buzzards			Cardinals	CARDS
8:20	Bengals at Jets		Bengals		JETS			Jets	JETS
	Totals	0-0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0-0

[Richard Kimball]

The more I read, the more I think this thing with the Colts is going to steamroll. Half the comments from the Cardinals sounded like direct rebukes of the Colts. Comments like, “How much rest do you get from skipping 35 snaps” were direct shots. Dittos for quotes from McCarthy: “We talked about it as a football team and we’re going to keep playing,” said McCarthy, whose team has won six of seven. “The players want to play. The coaches want to play. I think it’s in the best interest of our football team to keep playing. Anytime you get to a point where you’re in sync and you’re in rhythm and you have some momentum, we’re like to keep that going.”

[cleveland gop]

The Cards know how big this game potentially could be. If everything works out for them, they’re the 2 seed and get that big week off. But even given a 3 seed is better than a 4, so with the home crowd behind them, for Green Bay to win......don’t see it happening!!!

Did yer check yer FRmail???

[Richard Kimball]

More picks coming in...tabulating, tabulating...

Means nothing				Affects Seeding			Playoff eligibility game (maybe)
Final Week Special!!! Next Week is Playoffs!!
	Awards!!!
DAY	The Games!!!	Richard Kimball	Bender 2	Big Ol Freeper	Cleveland GOP	Kevin Davis	NJ Rep Biker Chick	The Pack Knight	campaignPete
Sun 1:00	Colts at Bills		Colts		Clots	Colts		Colts	BUFF
1:00	Saints at Panthers		Panthers		Panthers	Saints		Panthers	CAROLINA
1:00	Bears at Lions	Bears	Da Bears		Da Bears	Decatur Staleys		Bears	CHICAGO
1:00	Steelers at Fins		Phins		Cheating Stillers	Phins		Steelers	US Steel
1:00	Giants at Vikings		Jints		Viqueens	Giants		Vikings	MINN
1:00	Falcons at Bucs	Falcons	Falcons		Dirty Byrds	Falcons		Bucs	ATL
1:00	49ers at Rams	49ers	9ers		94'ers	San Fran		Niners	SF49
1:00	Pats at Texans		Texicans		Allegra's Texicans	Texans		Pats	HOUS
1:00	Jags at Browns		Browns		Jags	La Jags		Browns	JAX
4:15	Eagles at Cowboys		my Boys		Iggles	Eagles		Eagles	PHIL
4:15	Chiefs at Broncos	Broncos	Mules		Horsies	Broncos		Broncos	DEN
4:15	Skins at Chargers	Chargers	Chargers		Super Chargers	Bolts		Chargers	REDSKINS
4:15	Titans at Seahawks	Titans	Titans		Old Oilers	Titans		Titans	TENN
4:15	Ravens at Raiders	Ravens	Ravens		Das Ravens	Ravens		Raiders	BALT
4:15	Pack at Cards		Pack		Buzzards	Cards		Cardinals	CARDS
8:20	Bengals at Jets		Bengals		JETS	Bengals		Jets	JETS
	Totals	0-0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0-0

[advertising guy]

yep.........I am the type who reads EVERY post on a thread

[advertising guy]

too add........we about to see how real the SUNS are

We just beat the Lakers and in mere moments we face Boston

here in Phoenix

[big'ol_freeper]

I don’t. I only read my posts..since they are the most erudite.

[big'ol_freeper]

Not sure you will get a read on that. Pierce is out and KG is probably out tonight too.

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I’m a writer, advertising /marketing and inventor type .

too much info , knowledge, and raw humor for me not to

[cleveland gop]

BTW, the best team in the NBA beat Atlanta for the 2nd night in a row....

HAPPY 25TH BIRTHDAY LBJ!!!!!

And did I hear that right, Nebraska put Suh in as a blocking FB???

[The Pack Knight]

Just for fun, here’s how the playoffs break down if my picks are right:

NFC
1. Saints (13-3)
2. Eagles (12-4)
3. Vikings (12-4)
4. Cardinals (11-5)
5. Packers (10-6)
6. Cowboys (10-6)

AFC
1. Colts (15-1)
2. Chargers (13-3)
3. Patriots (11-5)
4. Bengals (10-6)
5. Jets (9-7)
6. Steelers (9-7)

Eliminated this week: Broncos (9-7), Ravens (8-8), Texans (8-8), Dolphins (7-9), Jaguars (7-9).

Here’s how my tiebreakers worked out. The Jets, Steelers, and Broncos end up tied at 9-7, and everyone else is below that and eliminated. In the 3-way tie for the 5 seed, the Steelers are eliminated first on conference records (7-5, 7-5, 6-6), then the Jets get the tie breaker against the Broncos on common games (4-1, 3-2). That leaves the Steelers and Broncos tied for the 6 seed, and the Steelers take that on the head-to-head win.

This conforms to the scenario on the scenario on the CBS site, but I wanted to work it through myself.

Since we’re having fun, here’s how I think the playoffs will go.

WILD CARD
Packers at Cardinals - Packers
Cowboys at Vikings - Vikings
Jets at Bengals - Jets
Steelers at Patriots - Patriots

DIVISION
Vikings at Eagles - Eagles
Packers at Saints - Packers
Jets at Colts - Colts
Patriots at Chargers - Chargers

CONFERENCE
Packers at Eagles - Packers
Chargers at Colts - Chargers

SUPER BOWL XLIV
Packers vs. Chargers - Chargers

There we have it, gentlemen. Unless I’ve totally missed something....

[The Pack Knight]

Wow, I must have missed that. He’s a hell of an athlete, and I think he might be playing his way to the #1 pick tonight, especially if Eric Berry doesn’t declare.

Suh or Berry ought to be #1, but the Rams need a QB so badly that they might take Jake Locker if he changes his mind and goes into the draft, or take Jimmy Clausen if he doesn’t. They could probably trade down a few spots and still get Clausen, and I think that would be their best bet, but it’ll take some fancy dealing and good intel on who the other teams are looking at.

[big'ol_freeper]

Analysis complete...the results of this weekends games:

Fillies over the Chips
Tabbies over the Aints
Jagwurst over the Clowns
Patriots over the Texians
Viqueens over the Gnats
Lambs over the 69ers
Pirates over the Parakeets
Guppies over the Stoolers
Bearlies over the Kitties
Beagles over the Cowpies
Mules over the Thiefs
Pigeons over the Traitors
Tighthens over the Seahags
Charburgers over the Deadskins
Packers over the Buzzards
Jests over the Bungles

[Richard Kimball]

Okay, this week's thoughts. Buffalo is bad and the Colts are good, and the game means nothing. The Colts are feeling the heat from throwing away a perfect season, so they can't play their starters without catching more heat. Meaningless games are hard to figure.

The Ravens and Jets have guaranteed "win and in"scenarios.

I picked the way it needs to fall for my Cowboys to get the #2 seed, cause I don't want to root against my picks, although I have a hard time seeing the Packers beating the Cardinals, particularly since the Cards have more to play for. The Vikings and Saints have the best records, but have both entered into late season swoons. Does anyone else notice that Favre sounds like an automotron in press conferences?

The Titans will beat the Seahawks, but they need to blow up their secondary during the off season.

The Jaguars have faded with the playoffs on the line a lot, and the Browns are really looking up, but I'm still going with the Jags, cause they theoretically have something to play for.

I wonder what kind of pep talk a team gives, when like the Broncos, they have to win and hope for a combination of Jets-Ravens-Arkansas Razorbacks loss.

Means nothing				Affects Seeding			Playoff eligibility game (maybe)
Final Week Special!!! Next Week is Playoffs!!
	Awards!!!
DAY	The Games!!!	Richard Kimball	Bender 2	Big Ol Freeper	Cleveland GOP	Kevin Davis	NJ Rep Biker Chick	The Pack Knight	campaignPete
Sun 1:00	Colts at Bills	Bills	Colts	Fillies	Clots	Colts		Colts	BUFF
1:00	Saints at Panthers	Panthers	Panthers	Tabbies	Panthers	Saints		Panthers	CAROLINA
1:00	Bears at Lions	Bears	Da Bears	Bearlies	Da Bears	Decatur Staleys		Bears	CHICAGO
1:00	Steelers at Fins	Referees	Phins	Guppies	Cheating Stillers	Phins		Steelers	US Steel
1:00	Giants at Vikings	Giants	Jints	Viqueens	Viqueens	Giants		Vikings	MINN
1:00	Falcons at Bucs	Falcons	Falcons	Pirates	Dirty Byrds	Falcons		Bucs	ATL
1:00	49ers at Rams	49ers	9ers	Lambs	94'ers	San Fran		Niners	SF49
1:00	Pats at Texans	Pats	Texicans	Patriots	Allegra's Texicans	Texans		Pats	HOUS
1:00	Jags at Browns	Jags	Browns	Jagwurst	Jags	La Jags		Browns	JAX
4:15	Eagles at Cowboys		my Boys	Beagles	Iggles	Eagles		Eagles	PHIL
4:15	Chiefs at Broncos	Broncos	Mules	Mules	Horsies	Broncos		Broncos	DEN
4:15	Skins at Chargers	Chargers	Chargers	Charburgers	Super Chargers	Bolts		Chargers	REDSKINS
4:15	Titans at Seahawks	Titans	Titans	Tightens	Old Oilers	Titans		Titans	TENN
4:15	Ravens at Raiders	Ravens	Ravens	Pigeons	Das Ravens	Ravens		Raiders	BALT
4:15	Pack at Cards	Pack	Pack	Packers	Buzzards	Cards		Cardinals	CARDS
8:20	Bengals at Jets	Jets	Bengals	Jests	JETS	Bengals		Jets	JETS
	Totals	0-0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0-0

[Richard Kimball]

Couple of notes on today's games: BTW, I'm not reposting the chart, but am changing my Jags-Browns pick to Browns. I'll update on next chart posting:

Texans owner has not committed to Kubiak coming back next year. Saints have announced they'll sit Brees and a couple of other starters. With the Chargers and Redskins it's antoher game that means nothing, but few people think the Skins have enough to pull it out against the Chargers second string.

[campaignPete R-CT]

i guess it is for the best that we have to wait for MainePAtsFan to post the WEEK 17 Thread.