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I would just like to start a discussion about what employers and employees can do to avoid the massive new costs and penalties that this horrific legislation will impose on the people of this country.

Thanks.

1 posted on 12/25/2009 8:17:56 AM PST by CapnJack
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To: CapnJack

This should be the link to the website I mentioned above

http://www.contingentlaw.com/Costly_legal_myths_in_contract.htm


2 posted on 12/25/2009 8:21:12 AM PST by CapnJack
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"I would just like to start a discussion about what employers and employees can do to avoid the massive new costs and penalties that this horrific legislation will impose..."

As an employee and with the expansion of Medicaid there is not much I can do because the payroll department will just take more from my paycheck for the Medicaid cost increase. They have me over a barrel.

3 posted on 12/25/2009 8:21:32 AM PST by avacado
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To: CapnJack

simple solutions to complex problems:

Closing the doors and retiring, telling everyone to go see Obama for job and healthcare, I QUIT, It is not my responsibility to pay anything for anyone.


4 posted on 12/25/2009 8:27:59 AM PST by eyeamok
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If I were an employer that provided health care, I would increase the amount of their paychecks as of today for the amount I, the employer, contribute. It would then be up to the individual to either purchase their own care of pay the $750 annual fine.


5 posted on 12/25/2009 8:29:29 AM PST by CTOCS (...and man will live forever more, because of Christmas Day.....)
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Only hire part time or 1099 ee’s for one. That is what they do in Hawaii. Also move headquarters offshor.


8 posted on 12/25/2009 8:39:23 AM PST by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: CapnJack

Defeat it before it becomes law.


11 posted on 12/25/2009 8:47:31 AM PST by Reagan69 (The only thing SHOVEL-READY since BO's stimulus has been MICHAEL JACKSON (tammy bruce))
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And who wrote this site? When they refer to laid off workers as LAIN off workers I am already suspicious. Moreover, this site has to do with trying to understand who is consider an independent contractor and who is a company employee. Most of those questions have been settled by litagation


12 posted on 12/25/2009 8:47:46 AM PST by the long march
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A while back, Glenn Beck had one of the commies who is working for Obama, I forget his name, on his show for an interview. During the interview he revealed that he had owned a maid service several years back and he got busted by the State of California for having all the people who worked for him as 1099 contractors. The state apparently thought he should have had them as employees, and paying payroll taxes. Of course he didn’t admit that part of it and tried to turn it into an issue of how workers are abused.

The short of it is that very small businesses might be able to get away with doing 1099s, but once they reach a ceratin size they’ll start being punished for it.


14 posted on 12/25/2009 8:50:22 AM PST by dajeeps
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I can tell you, from experience — do NOT bother calling them ‘contractors.’ The IRS is hot on the trail of that, and you could have someone who works for you one hour a week, as we do in our community orchestra, and they will call him an EMPLOYEE and demand back withholding, etc.

buzzards..


17 posted on 12/25/2009 8:54:19 AM PST by bboop (We don't need no stinkin' VAT)
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To: CapnJack
Trim the work force; employ only part time and/or temporary employees (avoid providing any benefits at all; forcing the employees to pick up the entire premium. I’ve even heard that some businesses may just pay the fines...that it may be cheaper for them to do so, rather than paying for and providing health insurance for their employees. I don’t know about that one, but it sounds plausible.

By the way, at my last job, all of us had to pay our own premiums. We had group insurance, but everyone — single, married, with dependents — all had to have premiums deducted from their pay. I understand that is becoming the norm now; expect more businesses to do the same once Obama Death Care becomes law.

20 posted on 12/25/2009 8:59:01 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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That’s easy. Move to Nebraska. Since the sell out Ben Nelson got an exemption for everyone in his state I can’t see what will stop businesses from moving there in droves. I foresee most new businesses and many old ones moving there just for that reason. Also anyone who is self employed or work at home will also be wise to do so. I hope the people of Nebraska are ready to give up their slow pace lifestyle for the hustle bustle of a growing population and all the crime and other problems that go with it.


21 posted on 12/25/2009 9:00:54 AM PST by TonyM (E)
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Do what I did two years ago - close and move overseas. No more US employees or US presence eliminates most of the headaches created and coming. Pretty much any industry can do this, save hands-on service (such as janitorial or construction). Good way to go!

Oh, and a little tip - Hong Kong does NOT tax income of any foreign owned HK company if that income is earned outside the territory of HK. Meaning if you are an HK company and perform services/sell products anywhere outside of HK, that income is essentially tax free. Uncle Sam still wants his share, but at least you can avoid double-taxation. And there are LEGAL ways to defer those taxes a LONG time - there’s a reason most big businesses have significant overseas subsidiaries.


26 posted on 12/25/2009 9:39:51 AM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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AFIC: all my new employees will be contract temps. As much work as possible will be configured as piecework. As much as possible will be done via the Mechanical Turk, offshore.
I will be happy to employ Americans when I am not punished for doing so. Meanwhile, this is my way of going on General Strike. People who object should help me to change the Regime.


27 posted on 12/25/2009 9:42:51 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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I hope every stupid lib who were out there jumping up and down for Obama and health care reform loses their job and everything they own.


28 posted on 12/25/2009 9:55:25 AM PST by TonyM (E)
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Don’t hire any entry level or recent college grads. Only hire highly skilled and experienced workers who have motivation, drive and ability.

That’s what most folks will do - wait ‘til the carnage of the Obama generation works itself out with a lost decade for the young dopes who voted in droves for hope/change.


32 posted on 12/25/2009 1:32:02 PM PST by sbMKE
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To: CapnJack; SierraWasp; Grampa Dave; SouthTexas; NormsRevenge

Do we really know what is in the bill? My son has 15 employees and is already bleeding from the medical insurance he provides for them and the younger ones could care less. At my age I’m more concerned about the level of service I receive and will drug companies continue to bring new drugs to market and will medial devices continue to improve for the family that follows me...


33 posted on 12/25/2009 3:18:54 PM PST by tubebender (Some minds are like concrete Thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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I am going to not hire more than 5 employees at my plant, we have 10 concrete mixers but rarely use more than 4-5 in the last couple of years.

This is going to cause a catastrophic amount of lost jobs across America.

Employers will divide their company into smaller downsized outfits, they will charge more and pay less wages.


36 posted on 12/26/2009 3:43:20 AM PST by Eye of Unk (Phobos, kerdos, and doxa, said the Time Traveler. “Fear, self-interest, and honor.”)
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To: CapnJack

The solution is simple. Move out of the country.


37 posted on 12/26/2009 3:46:46 AM PST by meyer (Government health care = national strike.)
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I wonder what dem congressmen would think reading these comments.

Would they be so blinded by partisan politics or the idea of creating a larger dependent class it wouldn’t faze them?

Or would they realize the destruction they are about to foist on the country. At least consider this?


40 posted on 12/26/2009 5:02:36 AM PST by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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Ask the bureaucrat to visit and then poof.....he is gone


41 posted on 12/26/2009 5:17:10 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Lukenbach Texas is barely there)
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