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Rottweiler Kills Florida Toddler
Shere.com ^ | December 13, 2009

Posted on 12/13/2009 12:40:53 PM PST by WFTR

NEW PORT RICHEY, Fla. (Dec. 13) - Authorities say a Rottweiler attacked and killed a Florida toddler when the boy reached to pick up a cookie he had dropped.

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TOPICS: Local News; Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: dangerous; dogs; maul; pets; rottweiler
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To: eastforker

>>”If a person is stupid enough to raise an animal as to be violent...”

Were these puppies RAISED to be violent?

“After her puppies were born, they were so mean that they largely had to be isolated. “If I let him out right now,” Markwell said, pointing to one of the young toughs who was leaping and snarling behind a glass door, “he’d try to kill you. No doubt about it.”

Markwell has seen litters of puppies that started trying to kill each other at 7 weeks...”
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-bad-dogs11-2009dec11,0,458776.story?track=rss

Also at:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2405160/posts

Nature or nurture?

DG


41 posted on 12/13/2009 3:45:37 PM PST by DoorGunner ("Rom 11: until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and so, all Israel will be saved")
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To: Scotsman will be Free
I’d guess that there are a hell of a lot more “common domestic pets” around than exotics. The rest of your post is sound.

I don't know what the ratios are, and I agree that if animals that are now considered exotics would have the same impact if they were as prevalent, then that factor should be considered. When we make these ratios, what comparisons should we make? For any given breed, the number may not be that much more than the number of a particular exotic. I've never heard of a boa constrictor killing anyone, but S373 would put them under Lacy act restrictions. In that case, the ratio for boa constrictors is less than the ratio for rottweilers. Earlier this year, HR669 would have banned all non-native species except for dogs, cats, and some farm animals. I've never seen a report saying this, but I'll be surprised if a beta fish has ever killed someone.

The better analysis focuses on the animals' "weapons" and instincts. If we standardize on the dog, many animals that the politicians want to attack are much less potentially dangerous. I mentioned total numbers of deaths because dogs have produced a bit of a body count.

42 posted on 12/13/2009 3:51:52 PM PST by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: poobear
I saw first hand the results of a pitt bull attack when I was young, only this time it was on a small horse. The dog had to be clubbed off the pony’s leg then beat continuously until it retreated. These animals are unlike a domestic canine. TRUST ME!

Many things in our society bring risk. To me, few things are as scary as seeing someone give a fast car to a teenager, and plenty of anecdotes as well as some statistics would bear out the idea that this situation is risky. Should the government step into that situation and legislate a maximum performance limit for vehicles driven by people under 25?

43 posted on 12/13/2009 3:56:09 PM PST by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: antidemoncrat
Everyone that has a large breed dog as a family pet needs to be extremely careful with them around small children until the dog gets ued to having them around. After that it is still a good idea to never completely trust the dog to be alone with the chid. Dogs, like many people, can change in heartbeat.

In terms of good advice, I'd go one step further and say that no young child should be left alone with a family pet. In terms of the criminal justice system, I don't like to try to legislate good advice. This family has paid a terrible price for what may have been a completely unexpected outcome. In this case, they hadn't left the child alone with the dog. As you said, a little more distrust of the situation might have prevented a tragedy.

44 posted on 12/13/2009 4:00:26 PM PST by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: Darnright

I read the article you linked. It mentioned under temperment about Rots that are shy or aggressive should be excused from judging.

Seems the need to state this underlines my comment....these dogs should NOT be pets.

I am tired of reading about parents who say “I can always get another kid, but I can never find another dog like that one” when the reporters interview them after their child is found dead.

GET OVER IT NO DOG IS WORTH A HUMAN LIFE!


45 posted on 12/13/2009 4:02:40 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: FTJM
Bad dog....bad owner.

I don't think we have evidence to draw this conclusion at this point. There was a bad outcome, but so far we have no evidence to suggest that the dog had ever done anything that would suggest that he would be aggressive towards a child. If a parent makes a mistake that causes an accident and kills his child in the back seat, neither the accident nor the mistake mean that he is a bad driver. Often, tragedy happens because that one in ten thousand bad outcome comes true.

46 posted on 12/13/2009 4:04:10 PM PST by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Why with dogs does the breed matter so much ... but with people we are told breed is irrelevant?

I don't think the breed of dog necessarily means that much. Individual dogs that are bigger and stronger than a certain size have a higher potential to hurt people. To the extent that breed determines size, breed has some meaning. With people, the differences in size are not enough to have a big influence on the ability to do harm.

47 posted on 12/13/2009 4:06:53 PM PST by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: WFTR
I don't think we have evidence to draw this conclusion at this point. There was a bad outcome, but so far we have no evidence to suggest that the dog had ever done anything that would suggest that he would be aggressive towards a child. If a parent makes a mistake that causes an accident and kills his child in the back seat, neither the accident nor the mistake mean that he is a bad driver. Often, tragedy happens because that one in ten thousand bad outcome comes true.

Ok, I'll bite, no pun intended. What's the mistake that was made?

48 posted on 12/13/2009 4:08:34 PM PST by FTJM
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To: WFTR
“No! Mine!”
49 posted on 12/13/2009 4:08:58 PM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?)...R.I.P.)
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To: BereanBrain
I am tired of reading about parents who say “I can always get another kid, but I can never find another dog like that one” when the reporters interview them after their child is found dead.

Source?

50 posted on 12/13/2009 4:09:51 PM PST by kanawa
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To: behzinlea

I don’t know whether a 9mm would have the stopping power for protection against the big breeds.


51 posted on 12/13/2009 4:11:56 PM PST by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: FTJM
Ok, I'll bite, no pun intended. What's the mistake that was made?

When I think of those kinds of mistakes, I think of things like driving a little too fast for conditions even though one normally drives more wisely. I agree that the mindless speedsters are usually accidents waiting to happen, but even people who normally drive wisely occasionally drive too fast on purpose or because they don't pay attention to speed.

A mistake that I make sometimes is misjudging lights, particularly in slightly rainy weather. I've occasionally skid because I tried to stop at a yellow when I didn't have room or I've run the beginning of a red because I didn't believe that I could stop.

Every so often, many of us are in a situation where we suddenly realize that we're in the wrong lane to make a turn and change lanes without looking. I can't remember doing this, but I tend to take "defensive driving" to the point of paranoia. I see this happen occasionally. Most of the time, the other drivers are able to avoid a collision. When there is an accident, the accident is usually not serious. On rare occasions, the results could be tragic.

I'm sure that if you gave the issue some thought, you could come up with other situations where someone who "always" does things right in some area makes a mistake.

52 posted on 12/13/2009 4:24:45 PM PST by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: WFTR
To the extent that breed determines size, breed has some meaning.

Yes.
Also the statistics of fatal and other attacks
will reflect the total population of a particular breed/type
relative to other breed/type populations.

Where I come from "pitbulls" and Rotties
are nowhere near responsible for the majority of attacks.
pdf link

To suggest that a breed/type is more dangerous
than similar sized dogs based on the number of attacks is a simplistic analysis
which ignores many other factors that contribute to dog attacks
and does little to help decrease dog attacks over all.

53 posted on 12/13/2009 4:33:02 PM PST by kanawa
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To: BereanBrain; Sofia; Darnright; org.whodat; kanawa

The Rottweiller is a working dog that descended from a cattle dog left by the Roman legions in Rottweil, Germany. The Rottweiler accompanied local butchers on buying expeditions from the Middle Ages to about 1900, carrying money in a neck pouch to market. It has also served as a guard dog, a drover’s dog, a draft dog, and a police dog. The Rottweiler is still referred to as the Rottweiler Metzgerhund (Rottweiler Butcher’s Dog) in its native Germany. Some accounts have the Rottweiler descending from the early German Shepherd Dog and others consider its ancestor to be similar to the Tibetan Mastiff, brought as a guard by Roman soldiers. The dog was prevalent from the Swiss canton of Argovie to the Nacker and Rottweil distincts to the south of Wurttemberg, wher the Romans had a military camp.

Source: http://www.pets.ca/breedprofiles/a/rottweiler/r9.htm

Other research I have done indicates the Rottie was likely used to pull the butcher’s loaded CART to the market, which explains the neck pouch used to carry the day’s proceeds home, doesn’t it?


54 posted on 12/13/2009 5:02:23 PM PST by Don W (I keep some people's numbers in my phone so I know not to answer when they call)
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To: kanawa

Well said, kanawa.


55 posted on 12/13/2009 5:14:38 PM PST by JLLH
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To: kanawa
Thanks for adding these statistics to the discussion. A common theme I noticed in that list is that many of the fatal attacks are by multiple dogs. One of the instinctual/behavioral characteristics that seems to make dogs more dangerous is the tendency to form packs. I own snakes, and snakes never form packs or participate in any kind of group behavior. With a few exceptions, most exotics seem to be solitary hunters, and that behavior makes them less dangerous. A person who avoids one of them is not going to have to fight two or three others. They don't become more courageous or aggressive because they are working together.

In terms of reducing dog attacks, these numbers suggest that a big factor is keeping dogs from running with other dogs. Having one big dog in the yard may not be that big an issue. Having two or three would likely cause a disproportionate increase in the risk. Likewise, letting one's single dog run with the neighborhood pack increases the risk of the whole beyond the sum of the individual risks.

56 posted on 12/13/2009 5:20:41 PM PST by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: WFTR

We have many dogs in our neighborhood who are out running around. When I’m walking ours on a leash many dogs run out of their yards and run after mine in a confrontational way. I always put my dogs behind me, stamp my foot and yell “NO!” Amazingly, the owners come running to get “Fluffy” and always apologize. I have to bite my tongue to keep from saying “Why is your dog being allowed to do this? For your animal’s sake, KEEP YOUR ANIMAL UNDER YOUR CONTROL!” Had anything happened, their dog would have paid the price. Responsible ownership. Can’t be said enough.


57 posted on 12/13/2009 5:33:04 PM PST by JLLH
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To: JLLH
Yep, I think people need to get an educated vision for an animal's entire life before bringing that animal home. Too often, people see something and think how cool having that animal will be next week. They don't think about having to care for that animal for the next ten or twenty years (or longer). With the exotics in particular, we keep trying to teach people that these are not "disposable pets." Ignoring the poor thing until it dies just because you're tired of it is wrong.

I like to walk along the road near my home, and one neighbor had a miniature pincher that always chased me. I wasn't scared of the dog, but I was scared that the dog would be hit. I like to carry a walking stick, and the owner always told me to hit the dog with the stick. I didn't want to hit the poor dog, and I didn't think that doing so would help. If cars were coming, I'd wave at them to try to get them to slow down and avoid the dog. Eventually, the dog was killed by a car. I didn't see what happened, but I'm sure that he was just running in the road and the driver never saw him.

58 posted on 12/13/2009 5:47:54 PM PST by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: WFTR

Well said. Poor animals. If people aren’t willing to accept responsibility, don’t get the animal. Animals are for life.


59 posted on 12/13/2009 5:51:42 PM PST by JLLH
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To: SCalGal

I hear that.


60 posted on 12/13/2009 5:51:57 PM PST by antidemoncrat
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