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Constitutional Convention 1791 Founding Fathers deemed unfair by 6th grade social studies teacher

Posted on 12/01/2009 9:00:48 PM PST by celticchik

I am having an email argument/discussion with my son's social studies teacher. He distributed a study guide about how unfair it was that the founding fathers at the Constitutional Convention did not include African Americans, Native Americans, women and poor people. I discussed with my son who is 12, that the only people who received an education at the time were white wealthy land owning men. I disagree with the use of the word unfair and let the teacher know my feelings politely. It was indicative of the era. Why would we send uneducated people to a meeting to start a government? I simplified it by saying that I wouldn't attempt brain surgery because I do not have medical knowledge. Do you know of any history books written for middle school aged children that are written without a socialist agenda?


TOPICS: Education; History
KEYWORDS: 1791; constitutional; convention; godsgravesglyphs; newjersey
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1 posted on 12/01/2009 9:00:49 PM PST by celticchik
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To: celticchik

I think it unfair to children that anyone lets this guy be a teacher. What a pathetic loser who has no appreciation for this country.


2 posted on 12/01/2009 9:04:57 PM PST by hal ogen
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To: celticchik

That teacher should be extracted by the scruff of the neck. Go to any used bookstore. Get any U.S. History book written before 1960.


3 posted on 12/01/2009 9:05:23 PM PST by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: celticchik

Get your school board involved, but start with the principal. In most states, principals are supposed to sign off on at least the syllabus, if not the lesson plans.

Request a meeting with the principal and air your concerns, then follow up with an email, or better, a letter with copies to the Superintendent.

Don’t raise your voice, and don’t get passionate, but firmly provide your alternative suggested curriculum. It’s likely to be less extreme than Lefty’s is, and you’ve documented the wingnut’s behavior.

Get like-minded parents to do the same. Principal’s have zero power, but parents do. Written letters in files, especially if the beef is well-reasoned and presented fairly, give the principal leverage to move the union, which is your main problem.


4 posted on 12/01/2009 9:08:05 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: celticchik
"Since Mar. 27, 2009".

Welcome to Free Republic.

Don't post much, do you? ;-)

(I'd have said MUCH WORSE to the teacher.)

The U.S. has made progress since then; and has also freed people across the world from oppression.

What has, say, France done, besides the Terror and the Vichy government in WW II?

Or the great waves of freedom in Russia, China, and Cambodia...?

(Ask the teacher, quoting from The Population Bomb, what should be done about India. Only tell them the source till later. Or do the same with the Unabomber Manifesto.)

Cheers!

5 posted on 12/01/2009 9:11:38 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.http://www.boei)
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To: celticchik
"Since Mar. 27, 2009".

Welcome to Free Republic.

Don't post much, do you? ;-)

(I'd have said MUCH WORSE to the teacher.)

The U.S. has made progress since then; and has also freed people across the world from oppression.

What has, say, France done, besides the Terror and the Vichy government in WW II?

Or the great waves of freedom in Russia, China, and Cambodia...?

(Ask the teacher, quoting from The Population Bomb, what should be done about India. Only tell them the source till later. Or do the same with the Unabomber Manifesto.)

Cheers!

6 posted on 12/01/2009 9:11:54 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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Stay polite and don’t back down. Remind him that no developed nor undeveloped country at that time had multi-ethnic and co-ed forms of gov’t. Then remind him that those White Christians who he’s criticizing (use the term “White Christians”) laid the foundation for the very idea of a mulit-ethnic co-ed power sharing society to be possible.


7 posted on 12/01/2009 9:18:56 PM PST by ccruse456
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'Twas my point exactly: but if they make the connection *themselves*, they'll believe it was their idea, and have less resistance to it.

Cheers!

8 posted on 12/01/2009 9:22:08 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: celticchik; LS

you want to connect with illustrious Freeper LS, who not only is a distinguished historian and professor, but has written a variety of books that could teach this dim-with “teacher” a great deal.


9 posted on 12/01/2009 9:25:21 PM PST by Enchante (Obama to Jihad Terrorists: Come to NYC and Propagate Your Message - I Am Only Too Happy To Help You)
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To: hal ogen

The teacher is not an exception; he is the norm. The system top to bottom is controlled by the hard left, and it will not be reformed because it serves their interests.

“Conservatives” need to rescue their children from the government schools, not waste their time rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. And, yes, they can afford it if they make it a priority and work together.


10 posted on 12/01/2009 9:25:40 PM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: celticchik

if you check out his home page and his posts you will find plenty of info, and I’m sure if you post to him he will be very helpful in reply b/c he has done a huge amount to enhance historical, political, and all kinds of discussions on FR.

http://www.freerepublic.com/~ls/

http://www.patriotshistoryusa.com/

http://www.amazon.com/Patriots-History-United-States-Columbuss/dp/1595230017

[no, I’m not his agent and I don’t even know the man except what I see of his posts and writings, but he’s far superior to most of the politically correct ninnies who pretend to teach “history” at any level]


11 posted on 12/01/2009 9:30:30 PM PST by Enchante (Obama to Jihad Terrorists: Come to NYC and Propagate Your Message - I Am Only Too Happy To Help You)
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Tell the teacher how unfair you think it is that your son is not teaching the class.


12 posted on 12/01/2009 9:37:32 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Keep your dog. Get rid of a Liberal.)
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To: ccruse456
#7 seems best answer.

Go thru the principal, to / with the teacher, and strongly recommend that he first survey other governments / societies of the time (including those represented by the local 'prior immigrants').

That should prove that slavery and servitude were commonplace worldwide, that the natives were not yet tuned into a broader nation, and that (oh, by the way) African slaves were not commonplace until after 1791.

After that lesson, suggest that they address how our founding fathers allowed for change, not to core principles but to the application of liberties to those who were not specifically addressed in the original.

Then you might suggest that various machinations (casinos, affirmative action, "hate" crimes, etc.) have come to pass as a means to obtain serious, and destructive, payback for any inadvertent oversights.

13 posted on 12/01/2009 9:41:41 PM PST by norton (No tagline here, Just move along.)
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I had the honor of hearing a former Prime Minister give a speech once at a dinner function. I'll never forget the line used comparing the US Constitution to France's:

“If you are in the library and want to read France's Constitution, you'll have to look in the periodicals section.”

Margaret Thatcher

14 posted on 12/01/2009 9:48:45 PM PST by Dogbert41
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To: celticchik

Ping for later


15 posted on 12/01/2009 9:55:23 PM PST by wintertime
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I think you are trolling, you have three posts during your three months here, all three are threads, two are vanities on the same subject, posted tonight, 30 minutes apart, with two different titles and the third one was a vanity youtube thread.

You have never responded to anyone.


16 posted on 12/01/2009 10:00:05 PM PST by ansel12 (Scozzafava/Romney 2012)
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Its pretty clear to me that the teacher never bothered to read or understand the product of the Constitutional Convention. He missed out on learning that the constitution they created ensured the future freedom of all of the groups he lamented by ensuring that the majority could never oppress the smallest minority, the individual.


17 posted on 12/01/2009 10:01:56 PM PST by Natural Law
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I’m sorry I don’t have a kid at the school. I would have printed and distributed stories about how whites are treated under Mugabe, then ask the teacher why he doesn’t give racist black leaders equal time.


18 posted on 12/01/2009 11:07:35 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Depression Countdown: 50... 49... 48...)
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This sixth grade teacher sounds like he should be repeating some primary grades before attempting to teach anything.

Starting at about grade three sounds about right.

19 posted on 12/01/2009 11:47:07 PM PST by Publius6961 (Â…he's not America, he's an employee who hasn't risen to minimal expectations.)
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Thank you for standing up to the jerk. We’re dealing with much worse in Minnesota: to gain teaching certification, our candidates will now have to accept and internalize what a terrible people and nation we have been, are, and always will be. “I’ve never killed a man, but I have read several obituaries with great pleasure.” [Source temporarily mislaid.]


20 posted on 12/01/2009 11:54:37 PM PST by JohnQ1 (Pray for peace, prepare for war.)
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