Posted on 12/01/2009 9:49:31 AM PST by TruthHound
I lurk this forum way too much. But it does give me my news fix and some interesting tidbits as well.
I am in here enough to get a good gauge of the political celebs Freepers don't like. That would be pretty much everybody.
I'm kinda sure nobody likes Mitt Romney. And as of 11/6/08, John McCain is a favorite whipping boy. Overall, the bulk of characters who stood on stage in the early GOP debates last year is tainted in some way. Giuliani, the cross-dressing gun-hater. Ron Paul, the anti-war drug-legalizer. Huckabee, the soft-on-crime wingnut. Yada yada...
I'm aligned with much of the criticism of those who supposedly represent the right, but some of the vitriol here astounds me. FOX news is liberal because they called last year's POTUS race too early? Laura Ingram and Michael Medved don't toe the Birther line, so they're libs? Charles Krauthammer is a lib because he's no fan of Sarah Palin?
Up and down the list of righty politicos, I don't think there's a single talking head who has gone unscathed by a thread or two here. I dare say if FR were around in the late 80's, we'd be spewing barbs at our dear anointed Ronald Reagan for his amnesty, government spending and placating of the left.
Right now, our country is being slowly dismantled by the most leftist administration America has ever seen. The balance of power in DC must swing right if we're to have any semblance of capitalism left for our children to enjoy. So with the sakes so high, where do we compromise? I can't think of a single GOP prospect with a snowball's chance of winning that I don't have SOME beef with policy-wise.
We've slowly relegated our law-making to the nanny state, and true constitutional freedom as our forefathers intended AIN'T COMING BACK. All we can do is stem the tide for as long as possible. But virtually every single viable "conservative" candidate we've seen so far is willing to bend to some social relegation to get to the next rung of the political ladder. There ARE NO honest politicians who aren't in the pocket of some lobby with a favor to ask.
We spend a lot of time expounding on why we DON'T like candidates A-Z. Put 'em all in a table with a list of issues and every one will have a checkmark in a column that I don't like.
Who on the horizon (with a realistic chance of winning) can we support for their POSITIVE attributes? I'm not seeing any.
Seems to me the biggest issue of all hasn’t been answered: who has the ability to turn this country around. It ain’t Huckabee or Romney or DeMint or Pence or any of the usual favorites. Maybe Sarah—if she can win an election. Maybe Rudy—if he wants it and if he can get the nod from the Stupid Party.
Are you kidding? Where the hell do you think Florida is located? Obama was the first democrat to win there in a quarter century.
Furthermore, what evidence do you have Rudy wouldn't have flipped any others if he actually had to campaign as the nominee?
Finally, I don't know how you translate 40% into "peace," but I'm guessing plausible is all you're looking for.
Rudy clearly isn’t the answer, he was the first candidate discarded at this conservative site that you just signed up at so that you can troll.
Have you read that thread that I linked to in post 96 yet?
yeah yeah sure. I vote for conservatives who understand the importance of core values. Lots of folks complained about Reagan and his signature on an abortion bill in California. Had that been the defining issue he would never have been president ——plus he openly said it was one of the worst things he ever did.
I do not really give two hoots about ‘skeletons’ in the closet. What I care about is whether someone has some core values from which they will not deviate. Obama does and I could NEVER vote for him because of those. Reagan did and I found it easy to vote for him. Seems to me that Palin does and DeMint and a few others. We will have to wait and see.
I just know that I am sick to death of the Snowe,Specter,Hutchinson,Graham,weasels side of the GOP. To hell with all of them. They do nothing but suck off the teat of mother government and wonder why we hate them.
If you want those type of candidates then please go over to DU, the dimwit party is full of them and the constituents will all vote for them.
If you ever want to see the frickin' communist throw out of our government you had better start supporting people like Sarah.
You dumb a**es say that conservatives won't support anyone, the truth is YOU won't support them, you want the same old BS RINOs back in office, you want big government, huge spendiing, no freedom type of government.
If the last two elections didn't teach you anything about RINOs and their intent to help destroy America then you had better check into a hospital for a brain transplant.
Denial is not refutation, and gratuitous assertion is not an argument. For someone with pretentions to logic, yours is a mighty shakey position.
If there is anything Rudy’s wife could do to him that would justify cheating instead of tossing her out, you have a tough case to make showing he would resign before betraying his constituency.
Wow, I guess you must be that lone fabled non-RINO on FR we’ve all heard about. Excuse me while I genuflect to thee. You must only vote in primaries.
Presidents don't write bills, they sign them and they have no line item veto.
Its up or down, and a President can't veto everything.
Congress makes the bills and spends the money. Case Closed.
When you advance the notion "President X run up the budget" you further reinforce the ignorant masses that the President does it all. They don't. They never have and if we can get folks like yourself to use proper rhetoric when talking about politics hopefully they never will.
Don't reinforce the notion that Presidents do something they can't. Its why we get the idiots we do who take up residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Witha notion like "If I am elected President I promise a chicken in every pot and an Xbox for every living room." People believe stuff like that because we have people saying "Reagan ran up the budget" and no one refutes what is clearly impossible due to the Constitution.
Remember Congress CAN pass legislation without the President. Presidents CAN'T do so without the Congress.
A refreshing viewpoint in a sewer of noxious fumes.
As a practical matter, they can't. But in theory, yes they could, and a veto of a budget-busting spending bill is an example of one that could be vetoed, putting the heat on Congress to take all the blame for the deficit if they choose to override the veto. Most congress critters would be very nervious about doing that.
As to the start of the conversation on Reagan's deficit spending, lets be honest. Reagan allowed it to happen. He could have easily stopped it if he was of a mind to.
Despite the doubling of Federal revenues over 8 years as a result of his 1982 tax cuts, Reagan and Tip O'Neill came to an agreement. Reagan wanted to increase military spending to bankrupt the Kremlin. O'Neill said he would go along as long as he had a free hand in domestic spending. Reagan agreed seeing his first priority as defeating the Soviets and ending the Cold War before it got hot. He allowed the democrats in Congress to run crazy with the national credit card.
Was it the right decision? I guess it depends on how much it was worth to see the Berlin Wall come down and for half a billion people to move from slavery to freedom.
Thank you for your thoughtful post. :)
FR is an open forum with thousands of posters.
Somebody is going to hate anybody. Just because you see somebody blasted does not mean they are generally disliked.
We don’t engage in group-think. We don’t schedule Two-Minutes-Hate for every morning at 10:00. That’s a Democrat thing.
That said, I think most here like Palin, Pawlenty, Cheney (Dick and Liz), Dubya, and Mark Sanford (before he went hiking on the Appalachian Trail). I could name about a dozen others. Boehner and Cantor, perhaps. Maybe Dick Armey.
But, I guarantee, somebody on this board will have nothing good to say about every name on that list.
Wow, you win the jack award of the week! Congratulations, and here’s your cardboard cookie!
I am a conservative. I know what I believe. I am also young. The Bible teaches us that the young should look to the elder for guidance and direction. I mistakenly thought that you might actually have some wisdom to impart. My bad.
Thankfully, there are others on this forum who not only know what they believe, why they believe it, and can spot phonies much more quickly than I, but they are willing to share that wisdom and insight with others.
I recognize that I am only one person, with one person’s knowledge, and that it would be wise for me to seek out like minded people. I suppose you just get on here to laugh at the mere mortals who have other responsibilities beyond politics, you know, like jobs and kids and other pesky stuff.
I must have been terribly mistaken in thinking that Free Republic was a place for people to come together, share information, and discuss what is happening at all levels of government. My bad. So sorry to have mistaken you for someone with something to give.
You’re absolutely right. I do need to read more. I guess the three books I’ve read this past week aren’t enough, the classes I’m taking in college, the debates I get into with my professor to put forward a conservative view point (vs. the liberal one so prevalent on campus), and the letters and calls I make to my representatives aren’t enough. Oh, and the fact that I am volunteering my time to conservative causes, homeschooling my children, taking care of my home, and my husband leave me so much time to do more than I’m already doing. But I’ll be sure to NOT ask you for any kind of wisdom — EVER.
You can’t give what you don’t have, and you obviously have nothing but nastiness to dish out.
And Rudy Guiliani will make an OUTSTANDING Attorney General in the upcoming Palin Administration.
I seem to remember Pence as pushing for a form of Amnesty, like in Amnesty McCain
Hows about we all unite behind Huckleberry? Now there is a winner.
/sarc
I bet you would. Rudy, the RINO who had the early start as 2008 candidate and fizzled like a damp firecracker.
Woo weee. He might be okay in the cabinet someplace.
RINOs abound on FR
When a President has a hostile Congress he can veto some but they will mark him and make him pay, crushing any initiative he tries to get through. Reagan had to pay the piper, but he won in the end and his legacy is defeating the evil empire.
We must put the blame for the mess in its proper place and when it comes to spending, tis Congress that do the dirty deed.
I give Presidents their due for what they can, wars and treaties and the most important of all reaffirming that America is good, the shinning city on the hill. Reagan did that and more. Few since have even come close.
Mitt and Huck are RINOs when it comes to such. BOTH good men but not good enough. The closest I have seen to match Reagan (so far) is that SuperMom from Alaska and she has an uphill battle to win that right to run. I wish her well.
I like Fred Thompson because he has that Reagan panache but he does not seem to "want" it bad enough to stake his claim. Time will tell.
Insightful and well said.
Thank You.
Where do I pick up my award?
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