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What's The Difference Between "Birther" And "Truther"?
November 28, 2009 | Man50D

Posted on 11/29/2009 11:45:33 AM PST by Man50D

This morning I posted a thread titled " Obama Orders 1 Million US Troops To Prepare For Civil War". My comment, " Fact or speculation? You decide", in the thread I posted clearly indicated no particular position for or against and with the assumption Freepers could openly debate the merits, or lack thereof, and provide input concerning the article located at another website as has occurred with many other dubious articles posted at FreeRepublic in the past.

The thread was pulled with the premise the article was based on the "trutherism" subjectively defined as a conspiracy. I then posted a subsequent vanity thread titled "Censorship At FreeRepublic? Aren't Freepers Smart Enough To make Their Own Decsions?" with the following sincere questions and remarks:

I was perplexed by these remarks since I never had heard such a word and don't recall it listed in the dictionary. Accept my apologies up front if I am wrong. Regardless of this point, isn't FreeRepublic all about revealing the truth that would otherwise be buried by the socialist media? Consequently I responded "What is “trutherism”? Can you confirm none of this article is true?"

It also begs the question: How is it known any or all of the article is a conspiracy?" It may very well be a conspiracy or none of it is a conspiracy or the truth lies somewhere in between. I don't know myself and that prompted me to call upon the collective intelligence of my fellow Freepers for their input. It is from this point of view I also have the following questions and remarks:

What are your sources to confirm all of what is written is mere conspiracy and that none of it is true? You have enough intelligent people at FR to discern the accuracy or inaccuracy of the article for themselves. Freepers will shoot it down in a New York minute with sources if it is not true. That was the premise of my comment “fact or speculation?, you decide”. Removing the article reflects a presumption they lack the necessary intelligence and a lack of confidence amongst your fellow freepers."

Such a response also leaves me wondering since when did FreeRepublic deny debate to determine the legitimacy of an article or website? We do it all the time with socialist websites and articles. Why not do the same with this article? How does open and honest debate harm FreeRepublic? If the source of the website I posted a link to the article consists of a bunch of conspirators then why not let the combined vast knowledge of Freepers call them out with specific and detailed information? Making a simple statement without credible evidence is tantamount to slander.

I apologize in advance if I'm wrong but It seems to me given Freepers have exposed disingenuous stories many times in the past, they could do so again with the article I posted and that FreeRepublic have the same confidence in its members. I'll know I'm wrong if I am suspended or banned from Freerepublic for posting this vanity on the sincere confidence of my fellow Freepers."

This thread was then locked with the comment "You were told what trutherism was via freepmail, but you pretend you don’t know here. We don’t cotton to liars on FR." A lie based on whose definition? Therein lies the problem. The socialists have been attempting to discredit those demanding BO abide by Article 1 Section 2 requiring any person seeking the office of President be a natural born citizen. He he has refused to do so by producing a birth certificate. The socialists have responded with their same old tired tactic of isolating and attacking a target by discrediting the object of their wrath. They have tried to implement this tactic by labeling people who believe in the Constitution as "birthers" implying if not out right claiming it is a conspiracy.

Many threads have been posted at FreeRepublic regarding the eligibility issue without being pulled nor reprimanding the poster on the assumption it is a conspiracy. There has been extensive open and honest discussion and debate on the subject. It is with this premise in mind I posted the original thread. Many Freepers agree BO has usurped the Constitution by occupying the White House. Clearly FreeRepublic doesn't consider questioning of BO's eligibility as a mere conspiracy. Given that fact, isn't it reasonable to at least consider the possibility he would commit another unconstitutional act of deploying U.S. troops against Americans?

It is incongruous to summarily dismiss the latter proposition outright since the former is considered plausible. Instead the mere debate of the issue concerning the deployment of troops is denounced. As I stated earlier I was not taking a position on the issue but was merely trying to start open and honest debate as indicated by initial "you decide" comment. Instead I am called a liar for merely questioning the term "trutherism". I sincerely hope FreeRepublic has not been reduced to attacking its own members for simply wanting to have an honest discussion.


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To: Man50D

The reason given on the pulled thread was something like “links to trutherism” right? I didn’t see the page that you linked to for your thread, but it wasn’t about 911 being an inside job, right?

So to me, that means the page you linked to for your thread had *links on it* that go to “911 truther” crap. That is not allowed here.

Your question is answered.


41 posted on 11/29/2009 12:29:35 PM PST by deks
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To: Man50D; All

Obama Orders 1 Million US Troops To “Prepare For Civil War”

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=161342

STE=Q


42 posted on 11/29/2009 12:29:57 PM PST by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: Man50D

What’s the difference? Birthers have a point. Truthers do not. Next question.


43 posted on 11/29/2009 12:30:46 PM PST by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: DoctorBulldog; Quix; SunkenCiv; blam
the author of the conspiracy is a long term well knowm Internet K00K, and if you take the time to google their name, you'll learn that not one prediction and/or conspiracy they ever presented ever came true. It's a HOAX.

It's all nonsense, plain & simple.

Now..... for something serious. How much ammo should I buy in case I get attacked by any of the million US soldiers next month?

44 posted on 11/29/2009 12:32:07 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: sodpoodle
I learned a lot from your posts and was shocked to learn that birthers (that would be me) and truthers (that would not) are lumped together as tinfoil hatters.

I agree BO has usurped the Constitution and have posted may comments to that effect. I prefer to think of us as Constitutionalists instead of birthers. The latter term is used to discredit our demands to obey the Constitution. However you miss my point that anyone can make a claim some movement is based on nothing more than a conspiracy theory as has been done with both issues but such empty comments don't confirm it as fact. I'm merely trying to convey people should at least present sourced information pro or con. I fail to see the harm in open and honest debate.
45 posted on 11/29/2009 12:34:17 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: STE=Q

Aha!!! The author of the report is Sorcha Faal.

She’s the Queen of Internet hoaxes!!!

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread304918/pg1

It’s a hoax.

Cheers


46 posted on 11/29/2009 12:35:26 PM PST by DoctorBulldog
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To: hennie pennie

I just saw your reply after I had posted about Sorcha Faal.

Yup, it’s a hoax.

Cheers


47 posted on 11/29/2009 12:36:50 PM PST by DoctorBulldog
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To: samson1097
I could post a thousand threads a day of completely made up stuff

Just like they do on DU.

48 posted on 11/29/2009 12:39:37 PM PST by Hardastarboard (Maureen Dowd is right. I DON'T like our President's color. He's a Red.)
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To: deport
You playing tag with this guy?

Yeah, we were wondering the same thing.

49 posted on 11/29/2009 12:39:37 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: hennie pennie

A lot of people are investing in gold during these turbulent times, but I’m fully invested in lead. You get much more bang per the buck with lead.


50 posted on 11/29/2009 12:40:07 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Join the TEA Party Rebellion!! God save this great Republic!!)
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To: DoctorBulldog
Near as I have been able to track this “Million Man Army” story back to its point of origin, it seems to have been started on the American Resistance Radio:

That is the article I posted. As I have already stated meny times, it could very well be nothing more than a conspiracy. The thread I posted was to open up debate and prove sourced information refuting or confirming the claim in the article. I did so as I did not have information pro or con. Instead, for some inexplicable reason, people have taken it as some personal offense because I somehow committed some unwritten cardinal sin.
51 posted on 11/29/2009 12:40:35 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Man50D
What's The Difference Between "Birther" And "Truther"?

Which one are you (or both?)


52 posted on 11/29/2009 12:43:27 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Jim Robinson

Lead is the new gold!


53 posted on 11/29/2009 12:43:57 PM PST by OwenKellogg (GOE 1, July 4, Sep 12, and Nov 7 DC rallies)
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To: Jim Robinson; blam; SunkenCiv; Nachum; appalachian_dweller
>>>> "A lot of people are investing in gold during these turbulent times, but I'm fully invested in lead. You get much more bang per the buck with lead." <<<<

omg, that is so funny --- can you imagine keithie olbermann & andrea mitchell greenspan coming across your posting at FR??

LOL

54 posted on 11/29/2009 12:46:17 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: Man50D
The thread I posted was to open up debate and prove sourced information refuting or confirming the claim in the article.

Well hell then son, why not just post articles on crop circles, cattle mutilations, Zionist conspiracies, Reptilians, etc, etc, etc.. after all, why not open it all up for debate and prove or refute it... (translated, if I wanted Infowars/Dark Skies/David Duke, etc, I would go there.. FR is for adults.)

55 posted on 11/29/2009 12:46:59 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring
>>>> "....why not just post articles on crop circles, cattle mutilations, Zionist conspiracies, Reptilians, etc, etc, etc.. after all, why not open it all up for debate and...." <<<<

NO. All of those topics are just distractions by the NWO so that we don't notice the million man army. Dontchoo know that?

56 posted on 11/29/2009 12:50:46 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: hennie pennie

“Now..... for something serious. How much ammo should I buy in case I get attacked by any of the million US soldiers next month?”

How much can you get?


57 posted on 11/29/2009 12:52:18 PM PST by jessduntno (Take a minute and watch it: http://www.youtube.com./watch?v=uoeuh-EGj7s)
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To: Man50D
"I did so as I did not have information pro or con."

Yes, I see your point. Now, you have received an answer: It was just a hoax.

Just so you know; I, for one, think it was a valid question. That being said, it has now been answered and should be dropped. However, I see that the Zotting of your original post has struck a cacophonous power chord within you. I can certainly empathize with you, but it's a no win situation. Although I know you won't let it go, it's best to just chalk it up to experience and move on.

Cheers
58 posted on 11/29/2009 12:59:59 PM PST by DoctorBulldog
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To: DoctorBulldog

“The author of the report is Sorcha Faal.
She’s the Queen of Internet hoaxes!!!”

Thanks!

This ‘report’ is pretty edgy — to say the least!

I’m glad to hear it IS a hoax!

STE=Q


59 posted on 11/29/2009 1:01:44 PM PST by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: Hardastarboard

“I could post a thousand threads a day of completely made up stuff”

“Just like they do on DU.”

Exactly. I wouldn’t visit this site as often as I do if it resembled those whacked out sites.


60 posted on 11/29/2009 1:08:41 PM PST by samson1097
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