Posted on 11/26/2009 10:19:55 AM PST by dynachrome
What I think about secession basically is that it is a consummation devoutly to be wished, but a dangerous pursuit to advocate publicly. Janet Napolitano and the alphabet soup guys do not take kindly to the notion of freedom in any way, and for the precise reason that Abraham Lincoln did not. When asked why he didn’t just let the South go, Lincoln exploded in a rage, “Let the South go? LET THE SOUTH GO? How, then, should I fill my coffers?”
Documented historical fact. Look it up for yourselves. Winners write history and the North/Leftists have had nearly 160 years to spin their propaganda, but the fact is that the South was the wealthy portion of the country back then. Cotton was, indeed, king, the Feds had gotten themselves into monetary trouble, and bankruptcy was imminent! The back room Congressional brawls were over whether to declare the USA closed at the Mississippi and raise taxes, or to hit tariffs even harder to benefit their factories and shipping businesses, improving their bottom lines and increasing tax revenues. Greed and tariffs won. Hit the South for the enrichment of the North. Hit those who produced cane, corn, and cotton for the benefit of those who consumed and controlled shipping and rail transport and to increase federal control.
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Then that would mean that Lee and Davis were racist, too, would it not? And Jackson and Stephens and any other leader of the rebellion you would care to name.
As far as your Davis quote...would YOU put a kitten out in the middle of the freeway?
And as I pointed out, Davis owned those kittens for decades, buying and selling them throughout his life. Yet he didn't free a single one. At any point. You claim he was teaching them. I ask, teaching them for decades? Again, were they slow learners?
Yes, he did! And there’s plenty of documentation that he did. And you’re full of spit! Jefferson Davis served in the military, then became a senator, then Secretary of War, and didn’t return to Mississippi until 1857! The freaking war started in 1861...now tell me how many decades are there between 1857 and 1861! Like I said, READ something once in awhile!
Whereas, Lincoln didn’t bring his great Emancipation Declaration until the third year of the war, when men were gettng tired of his war and weren’t signing up!
"If I could save the Union without freeing any slaves, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it, and if I could do it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also so that" (Voices of America, p.138).
Lincoln didn't give a rip about slaves, nor did he give a rip about the Constitution.
As I pointed out, Jefferson Davis didn’t even own a freaking slave until after his father and his FIVE OLDER brothers were all gone and he returned to Mississippi, actually in 1858! How many decades are there between 1858 and 1861? READ something once in a while!
You forgot this part of the letter: "I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free."
Lincoln didn't give a rip about slaves, nor did he give a rip about the Constitution.
Wrong on both counts.
No he didn't.
And there’s plenty of documentation that he did.
Then you should have no problems coming up with some. Some quote from the man indicating his intention to free all his slaves. Some document showing how he was preparing them for freedom. Something along those lines.
Jefferson Davis served in the military, then became a senator, then Secretary of War, and didn’t return to Mississippi until 1857!
Then who was the Jefferson Davis who bought Brierfield Plantation in 1836? Who was the Jefferson Davis who married Varina Davis in Natchez in 1845? Who was the Jefferson Davis who ran for Congress in 1844? We must not be thinking of the same Jefferson Davis, which could explain your crazy ideas of what the man believed.
Like I said, READ something once in awhile!
I've read several biographies of the man. You've never made it past revisionist websites.
Whereas, Lincoln didn’t bring his great Emancipation Declaration until the third year of the war, when men were gettng tired of his war and weren’t signing up!
About fifteen months into the war, actually. Lincoln first presented his draft of the proclamation to his cabinet in the summer of 1862. Your math is as weak as your history is.
I would suggest you do the same.
Been there, done that, that’s why I’m not all goo goo eyed over a racist like Abraham Lincoln. To me he was just another sociopath, as bad as Hitler, Stalin, Lenin or Mao, that managed to kill off 3.5% of the US population over his politics.
According to you Davis was never in Mississippi between 1828 and 1857, which is why I doubt you've ever read anything other than some lost-cause propaganda site.
To me he was just another sociopath, as bad as Hitler, Stalin, Lenin or Mao, that managed to kill off 3.5% of the US population over his politics.
Further evidence that you haven't read anything of a serious nature on either man.
Sorry, I haven't come across anything in Lincoln's writings that would support a claim like that.
What's your point?
That your claim that Lincoln cared nothing about slavery is completely false.
Name calling suits you...must be a democrap...
And yes I’ve read extensively, been a student of history most of my life, and certainly have the ability to understand reality, unlike those brainwashed into thinking Abraham Lincoln was the best thing since sliced bread. He wasn’t.
Still incorrect.
False statements suit you...must be a democrap...
And yes I’ve read extensively, been a student of history most of my life, and certainly have the ability to understand reality...
That's not at all apparent from your posts.
To whom? YOU? ‘Enuff said.
To anyone with an elementary understanding of the War of the Southern Rebellion.
” If she looked at the statements of succession from the states who succeeded...”
Just a thought...if you looked at the statements of the Amnesty support squad 100 years later, you might likely think it happened because of racism and persecution by we US citizens. The civil war happened for a lot of reasons for different people in different places.
So you’re saying you’re the only one that understands the government’s manipulation of Americans that convinced them to kill each other off at the rate of 3.5% of the population?
Well, I’ll swun!
You just trundle along in that great belief...and I’ll continue laughing my behind off.
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