Posted on 11/10/2009 12:54:44 PM PST by Irisshlass
U.S. health authorities have made pregnant women one of the highest priority groups for getting the H1N1 swine flu vaccine, but is it actually safe for pregnant women and their babies? Well, the truth is that miscarriage reports from pregnant women who have taken the H1N1 swine flu vaccine are starting to pour in from all over the nation. Vaccines and pregnancy simply do not mix safely. In fact, the package inserts for the swine flu vaccines actually say that the safety of these vaccines for pregnant women has not been established.
What you are about to read below should shock and anger you. If they are telling us that the swine flu vaccine is not safe for children under 6 months of age, then why in the world would it be safe for pregnant women and their babies? That doesn't make an ounce of sense, does it?
The following H1N1 swine flu vaccine miscarriage horror stories are from a June 2010 birth club.....
EBWashington
(Excerpt) Read more at organichealthadviser.com ...
Also these results will not be in till March, May, June etc. 2010.
The evidence is there from the site you posted..I already knew about the site and read it earlier. So you get mad because the FACTS are hitting you in the face and you don’t like it. The TRUTH is the shot has not been fully tested.
I am just providing information, if people don’t agree with it that is fine too. The information that you are saying I’m trying to scare was taken from one of two sites from pregnant women that had a miscarriage they felt was because of the shot. sitehttp://community.babycenter.com/post/a17775995/miscarriage_after_h1n1_vaccine?cpg=1&csi=2078905335&pd=-3
I think it is up to people to make up their minds when information is provided without people like you that resort to personal attacks or accuse people of lying like a liberal would do who doesn’t have the true facts.
I would suggest you go to the sites and post your questions to the women that are reporting this.
Did you actually read those non-articles?
Sorry, no tickee - no washy.
The first one blathers on about forthcoming data and talks about the field testing that is going on.
The seconds one talks more about manufacturing than real testing.
I don’t disagree that the H1N1 has been poorly handled and not properly vetted. But I hate it when people point to anecdotal evidence and treat that as fact.
If you read my posts I have NEVER said the vaccine is ‘safe’. NOthing is ever 100% safe. My only comments have been to point out that people running around with their hair on fire because of anecdotal cases is NOT useful nor is it meaningful
So what. There are lots of folks who are interviewed on the news....why in fact Dr. Phil McGraw always has lots to say.
That is the link to the ‘famous’ infectious disease expert. Think I’ll pass on his opinion thanks
You have NO understanding of causality. Your so called efforts at understanding are sufficiently minimal as to be useless. No doubt you think autism is caused by vaccinations, that whopping cough and measels aren’t really deadly diseases, and that vaccines are a way for the government to kill people off
Oh and here is some more information on your fanous doctor——note he did his speciality in Anesthesiology. Really nice like that has ANYTHING to do withinfectious diseases or epidemiology. Orthopedic surgeons do residencies in orthopedics, peditricians do residenices in pediatrics, neurologists do residencies in neurology and yet here is your so called expert and his residency is in anesthesiology.
http://www.vitals.com/doctor/profile/1427206135
Just keep that good information coming
I agree with that. But would you grant that observing some unexpected data (anecdotal cases) could serve as a reasonable catalyst for actual scientific research?
The anecdotes create some suspicion, but do not establish fact or causality. But all good scientific research starts with a hypothesis. Sometimes the hypothesis is right, sometimes it is wrong. In this case, there is a hypothesis that the vaccine may be having a bad affect on some pregnancies. People want this to be looked into.
Anecdotal cases should NEVER raise suspcion. Vaccines have a way of being tested and vetted that should be followed ( and rigourously). Where problems occur is when governments demand instantaneous responses for things that take time ( such as this round of H1N1 influenza). Fact is people were running around screaming that they wanted (nay demanded) the vaccine. Now you have others screaming about how bad the vaccine is
Individual cases can NEVER be used as the basis for hypothesis. Statistical analysis is a mean thing. You do require a fairly large number of things to look at in order to properly evaluate. Like it or don’t MILLIONS have taken the vaccine (and many of those were pregnant) and they are fine.
“For a hypothesis to be put forward as a scientific hypothesis, the scientific method requires that one can test it. Scientists generally base scientific hypotheses on previous observations that cannot be satisfactorily explained with the available scientific theories.” ( from Wikipedia) The point here is that there is an explaination for these cases based on previous theory (not everything is 100% safe)
(quote)If you truly think that the vaccine is a weapon designed by big pharm to kill you and cause miscarriages in women, then by all means, take a Flintstones vitamin instead and see how that works for you. (end quote)
did i ever say that? no.
why do you play that game?
nothing in your reply makes any real sense.
H1N1 ping.
(quote) You have NO understanding of causality. (end quote)
oh, i don’t know about that. i see that some peoples attempts to collect info from the limited sources available has caused you to be insulting and hysterical sounding. or is that not what you meant? lol
(quote) Your so called efforts at understanding are sufficiently minimal as to be useless. (end quote)
wow, you are a real sweetheart. you sound kinda snobby there you know.
(quote) No doubt you think autism is caused by vaccinations, that whopping cough and measels aren’t really deadly diseases, and that vaccines are a way for the government to kill people off (end quote)
no doubt??? you have no doubt? or you have no doubt that i have no doubt?
i don’t doubt that you have no doubt that i don’t doubt, but can you know what i think when i have not told you? i doubt it.
Also, keep up with other H1N1 update stories on this thread: H1N1 flu victim collapsed on way to hospital [Latest H1N1 updates downthread] thanks to DvdMom and others.
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