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Is Snow Leopard the new Vista?
CNet UK ^ | 11/09/2009 | By Rory Reid

Posted on 11/10/2009 1:18:17 AM PST by Swordmaker

Windows Vista was quite possibly the worst operating system known to man. When it launched, it required users to upgrade to expensive new computers, failed spectacularly to work with crucial hardware and software, and didn't offer much in the way of improvement over Windows XP.

Fast-forward to 2009 and we're seeing a similar trend with Apple's latest operating system, Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard. Despite earning positive press reviews, we'd argue its teething problems are reminiscent of those of Vista. Since its launch, it's been riddled with software and hardware incompatibilities. There's a lack of Earth-shattering new features and an air of general mediocrity that was the hallmark of Microsoft's much-abused OS.

All this raises the question: is Snow Leopard the new Vista?

HARDWARE HOGS

Windows Vista faced a huge backlash for its egregious hardware requirements. Whereas XP ran happily on anything using a 233MHz CPU, 64MB of RAM and 1.5GB of disk space, Vista Home Premium demanded a 1GHz processor, at least 1GB of RAM and 40GB of storage. Worse still, anyone who wanted the fancy new Aero graphics features would need to ensure they had a decent graphics card -- and don't even get us started on the cash outlay required for tolerable DirectX 10 gaming. Understandably, Vista faced resistance from users who felt pressured into upgrading to expensive new hardware.

The resistance was hardly necessary, as most PCs at the time -- even the first wave of netbooks -- easily met Vista's minimum requirements. Microsoft attempted to allay our fears by providing software to test older PCs for Vista readiness and adorning new PC hardware with 'Vista Ready' or 'Vista Capable' livery. But the damage was done. The public knew Vista was greedier than XP, and one way or another, using it meant they'd have to reach for their credit cards.

Surely not Snow Leopard?

Believe it or not, it's possible that an even bigger hardware transition may be required for anyone moving from 10.5 Leopard to 10.6 Snow Leopard, though the backlash has been miminal. OS X 10.5 Leopard requires Macs with at least an 867MHz PowerPC G4 CPU, 512MB of RAM and 9GB of hard disk space.

Snow Leopard is far greedier. It actually refuses to run on any Apple hardware that doesn't use one of the 'new' Intel CPUs introduced circa 2006. Its memory requirements are relatively low at just 1GB, and it actually requires 4GB less disk space than Leopard, but there's no getting away from the fact: to enjoy Snow Leopard, many Mac users will need to buy an entirely new PC costing hundreds, or even -- as is more likely -- thousands of pounds.

Obviously, there are millions of users who won't need new hardware, as they're already using Intel Macs. It's reasonable to assume though, there are more people in the world using PowerPC Macs than Intel ones -- and if those people want Snow Leopard, they're going to have to pay a hefty price.

UNSUPPORTIVE BEHAVIOR

During its initial launch, Vista struggled massively with hardware and software incompatibilities. Even if you had the right bits in your PC, there was an awful lot that didn't work and everyone, from the IT press to random strangers in the pub, seemed to have a story about this particular issue.

The problem wasn't with Vista itself, but rather with PC vendors who failed to deliver appropriate drivers, or update their software as Microsoft required them to. Consequently, there was no guarantee your existing printer, webcam or sound card would work unless its vendor was quick off the mark with a new Vista driver.

The problem seemed to manifest itself most seriously in Nvidia's almost laughable inability to provide new drivers for graphics cards -- which were crucial not just for gaming, but in some cases to access Vista's fancy Aero visual interface. Several GeForce owners even went as far as to threaten a class-action lawsuit against Nvidia, such was their frustration with the lack of support.

Surely not Snow Leopard?

Here in 2009, similar problems have occured with Apple's latest. Not only does the new OS refuse to run on older PowerPC hardware, but many users, and indeed Apple itself, have reported incompatibilities with software that worked just fine with OS X 10.5.

Upon installing Snow Leopard, any software deemed incompatible is moved to a folder called 'Incompatible Software'. These apps are then prevented from opening in order to 'protect your Mac'.

The applications affected are numerous and varied. Signature apps such as Parallels Desktop are on the blacklist, alongside Adobe Creative Suite 3 -- an app used by millions of creative types (including those at CNET Towers) to edit pictures in Photoshop, or create flashy Web content in, er, Flash. In addition, Snow Leopard automatically installs Java SE 6, so programs that require previous versions (which were present in Leopard and Tiger) may not run properly off the bat. The new OS even downgrades your version of Flash without permission, rolling back to an older version (10.0.23.1) that's full of potential security holes.

Snow Leopard's hardware and software problems aren't as well-documented as Vista's, or ultimately as serious -- but if you're one of the millions of users affected by its inability to work with software you've grown used to, you'll certainly cry foul.

PONDEROUS PERFORMANCE

Most users, regardless of their technical expertise, will tell you that Vista is slower than Windows XP. They'd be right, too -- in many respects, Vista trails behind its predecessor when it comes to raw speed. CNET News site reported that Vista -- even with Service Pack 1 (SP1) -- performed significantly slower than XP Service Pack 3 (SP3).

Paul Mockapetris, the man widely credited with inventing the Internet's Domain Name System (DNS), once claimed Vista itself would slow down the entire Internet because it supported two versions of the Internet Protocol -- IPv4 and IPv6 -- which would essentially double Internet traffic.

These factors were potentially troublesome enough, but Vista's introduction of User Account Controls (UAC) really put the apathetic cat among the lethargic pigeons. Many seemingly innocuous actions needed to be user-verified through the use of a pop-up box demanding to know whether we were sure we meant to do the thing we'd just asked it to do.

Surely not Snow Leopard?

All the new features in Snow Leopard point to a far quicker operating system. It takes advantage of 64-bit multicore processors, has better access to RAM, gets high-powered graphics-processing units, and all the major applications in Snow Leopard -- including the Finder -- have been rewritten in 64-bit code.

Despite all this, our experience of Snow Leopard is that it's not noticeably quicker than OS X 10.5. In fact, in CNET.com's benchmark tests of the two operating systems on two sets of identical Apple laptops, Snow Leopard was actually slower than its predecessor.

Our tests of iTunes encoding was distinctly quicker with the old OS, but the most staggering difference could be seen in our QuickTime multi-tasking test. On an older MacBook Pro running Snow Leopard 10.6, the test completed in 1,127.25 seconds. The same laptop with the older Leopard 10.5.8 took just 732.15 seconds.

Snow Leopard isn't a complete dog -- far from it -- but given that it's slower than Leopard in most of our tests, its parallels with Vista over XP are evident.

CONCLUSION

It's impossible to dispute the fact that Snow Leopard is affected by many of the flaws that dogged Windows Vista. Like the maligned Microsoft OS before it, it's not markedly different to its predecessor, can require expensive new hardware to function, has notable software and hardware incompatibilities and is slower than the OS it replaces.

With this in mind, it's difficult to explain how and why Snow Leopard dodged the consumer backlash bullet, while Vista was so badly mauled. It's not as if Vista was rubbish. Until Windows 7, it was unquestionably the most advanced operating system Microsoft has ever created. The Mojave experiment -- in which Microsoft tricked some of Vista's fiercest critics into discovering they actually loved the beleaguered OS -- lends weight to the argument that Vista's benefits outweigh its flaws.

We believe the difference in the public reception of the two operating systems boils down to a couple of factors. Firstly, Snow Leopard arrived pretty much on time, and -- though mildly botched -- did most of the things people expected. Vista, on the other hand, promised more and delivered less. Crucially, it was also horribly late. People may have ignored its tardiness if it were otherwise impeccable, but when anything -- man, woman, beast or OS -- turns up late to a party, broken and vomiting on your dog, it's unlikely to win any friends.

Secondly, and most crucially perhaps, Mac users are generally more tolerant of the flaws in Apple's products. As a result, that group was always less likely to show significant hostility towards Snow Leopard. Whereas a Windows user might throw their toys out of the pram, an Apple fan is more prone to accept flaws, no matter how glaring, as mere eccentricities.

Ultimately, it would appear Snow Leopard -- despite having similar problems at its launch -- was always unlikely to receive the spectacularly bad reception endured by Vista. This isn't necessarily because it doesn't have as many teething problems as its older rival, but rather because -- unlike Vista -- its public were more likely to accept it in the first place.


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To: Swordmaker
The iTunes/Snow Leopard combination worked fine on all of the computers I upgraded. What problem are you having? The one where it won't quit that a few users are reporting? That goes away with a re-install of iTunes.

another reason I uninstall that crap when Apple tried to bundle it unbeknownst to people by putting it in the fine print defaulting that you will install it UNLESS you uncheck the box. Sneaky rat bastages...

61 posted on 11/10/2009 7:21:59 PM PST by Blue Highway ("Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself" Barack Obama, Oct 15, 2008 Presidential debate)
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To: sonic109

Off the chart which way???


62 posted on 11/10/2009 7:32:19 PM PST by Blue Highway ("Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself" Barack Obama, Oct 15, 2008 Presidential debate)
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To: Swordmaker
This doesn't seem to be a truthful review of Snow Leopard at all. First of all, where is this folder "Incompatible Software" supposed to be (in what directory)? I searched for it but couldn't find it.

Secondly, this, The applications affected are numerous and varied. Signature apps such as Parallels Desktop are on the blacklist,

..is completely wrong. Either a lie or a completely, albeit innocently erroneous statement. I've been able to run my Parallels Desktop since upgrading to Snow Leopard, and since getting the latest Parallels Desktop, it's run better than it has in a year (which is way before Snow Leopard came out).

Given this, I suspect every other claim in this review is bogus. Was there no fact checking prior to publishing this? Where did the author come up with this stuff?

63 posted on 11/10/2009 7:48:31 PM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: dalight; MrsEmmaPeel

Speaking for myself, I had problems with my printer before I got Snow Leopard, and now it works much better.

Just my experience.


64 posted on 11/10/2009 7:50:19 PM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Blue Highway
another reason I uninstall that crap when Apple tried to bundle it unbeknownst to people by putting it in the fine print defaulting that you will install it UNLESS you uncheck the box. Sneaky rat bastages...

Right... sure, Blue. You "uninstall that crap" on a Mac? No, you are prevaricating again. You don't use a Mac. You have trouble reading the print next to a checkbox that is in plain sight so that you have to uninstall it after you've installed iTunes? Do you even USE iTunes? I sincerely doubt it since you use every opportunity to badmouth Apple, iTunes, Macs, and anything else made by Apple.

That issue you used to hang your diatribe on was a single comment by a single user made in the first four pages of Google results for a search of "Snow Leopard iTunes +problems." No other problems came up on the search. I'd call that a miniscule issue, if it exists at all.

Apparently the issue in question was a combination problem of using iTunes, Snow Leopard, and network connection to an AppleTV... which was fixed with an update to AppleTV.

65 posted on 11/10/2009 11:33:42 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: MrsEmmaPeel
I upgraded to snow Leopard, and now my scanner no longer works.

I'm having the same problem with my Epson printer/copier/scanner. The scanner part works, the memory card reader works. Of course, the copier works. The printer is completely dead. I've tried everything I can find from Epson and Apple and still no dice. Everything worked fine with Tiger and Leopard.

66 posted on 11/10/2009 11:48:57 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Swordmaker

I didn’t say I used a Mac. I do have a iPod shuffle and when installing the software for it to work with my computer only for charging via USB, it TRIES to install the bogus iTunes I do not want or need. Any update via software will default by having “install iTunes” already checked. You will spin this as it being a “convenience” I bet, but I call that as sleight of hand trickery and fine print deception.

This same phenominon occurs with the Windows version of Safari. When you first download it and install it it will have the default setting to install the god forsaken Quicktime which I loathe! as well as the bloatware iTunes which I will repeat I have no use for and I will not use nor need. This isn’t FUD as you Apple drones like to use, it is fact. Please Sword, tell me I am wrong and I will have screenshots ready to make you look foolish.


67 posted on 11/11/2009 9:09:10 AM PST by Blue Highway ("Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself" Barack Obama, Oct 15, 2008 Presidential debate)
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To: Blue Highway
I didn’t say I used a Mac.

Just as I said: You don't use a Mac. Nice try at hijacking the thread, though.

If you don't like Apple products and the software that is intended to work with them, why did you buy an iPod? Buy something else and be happy.

68 posted on 11/11/2009 9:13:02 AM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker

For the record on any browser or search engine you add if they have the default setting to install a toolbar I also call that sleight of hand trickery and down right deception as it is designed for the majority of users that will just keep clicking yes or next to get the darned thing installed and low and behonld once it is installed the freaking toolbar also installed, very deceptively.


69 posted on 11/11/2009 9:13:37 AM PST by Blue Highway ("Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself" Barack Obama, Oct 15, 2008 Presidential debate)
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To: Blue Highway
For the record on any browser or search engine you add if they have the default setting to install a toolbar I also call that sleight of hand trickery and down right deception as it is designed for the majority of users that will just keep clicking yes or next to get the darned thing installed and low and behonld once it is installed the freaking toolbar also installed, very deceptively.

OK... I had a client that had SIX toolbars installed on IE. He had about 3 inches of screen left to see the websites. In addition, IE had gotten completely bogged down as each of the tool bars argued with the other about which had precedence to provide services...

70 posted on 11/11/2009 9:18:47 AM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker

I didn’t buy an iPod a friend was going to throw theirs away that was given to them that went through hell it was in the bottom of a purse and was all gummed up. They thought it didn’t work as the power never came on. Just need the charge through USB which required the Apple software. I do have a SanDisk 4GB Fuse and am VERY happy. Cost me $49 2 years ago and it plays video and had an SD slot. I have modded firmware for it so I can do much more than what I was already happy with previously. Comparing it to the 256 or 512mb iShuffle (I forget as it is not an mp3 player I even take seriously) is a joke, literally.


71 posted on 11/11/2009 9:19:16 AM PST by Blue Highway ("Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself" Barack Obama, Oct 15, 2008 Presidential debate)
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To: Swordmaker
OK... I had a client that had SIX toolbars installed on IE. He had about 3 inches of screen left to see the websites. In addition, IE had gotten completely bogged down as each of the tool bars argued with the other about which had precedence to provide services...

right, and I would call whatever company that those toolbars belonged to sneaky and deceptive. Yahoo does this crap along with Apple. Microsoft does as well but at least it is part of IE and you can turn it off, but I do hate that Microsoft defaults with the crap on. At least I can be impartial with my displeasure over this deception, you act like Apple does not do this and they are just as bad if not worse than most in this regard. Can you at least admit they use these same tactics?

72 posted on 11/11/2009 9:23:47 AM PST by Blue Highway ("Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself" Barack Obama, Oct 15, 2008 Presidential debate)
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To: Swordmaker; Blue Highway

73 posted on 11/11/2009 2:07:17 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Blue Highway
At least I can be impartial with my displeasure over this deception, you act like Apple does not do this and they are just as bad if not worse than most in this regard. Can you at least admit they use these same tactics?

Apple includes Safari and Quicktime with iTunes because they want known applications that interact properly with iTunes. People who elect not to install those known apps will, like you, turn around and complain that iTunes doesn't work quite right with their chosen apps. On installation, the Apple apps will ask if the user wants Quicktime and Safari to be the defaults for their system or not. . . Or the user can elect to not install them at all and put up with less than optimal operation of iTunes.

Is Apple proactive about pushing their free products? Yup. Are those products as intrusive after installation as toolbars on IE or are they going to conflict with other similar tools, interfering with the user's operation of his computer? No.

74 posted on 11/11/2009 2:22:32 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker

I call BS on them not being intrusive. After you elect to NOT install the extra components, if you allow (I forget if there is a way to turn off automatic updates) an update it will default check AGAIN the very components you chose not to last time. I call THAT intrusive.


75 posted on 11/11/2009 2:32:43 PM PST by Blue Highway ("Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself" Barack Obama, Oct 15, 2008 Presidential debate)
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To: Swordmaker
Snow Leopard is far greedier. It actually refuses to run on any Apple hardware that doesn't use one of the 'new' Intel CPUs introduced circa 2006. Its memory requirements are relatively low at just 1GB

Relatively low but 1GB is what the basic Mac Mini comes with. I got such a Mini as a gift last summer. Unfortunately, I can't just plug in more memory. Its either a rather delicate operation opening the Mini and moving stuff around or taking the machine to an Apple Store and sitting around for hours or leaving it.

76 posted on 11/11/2009 2:38:59 PM PST by Brugmansian
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