I provided a web site. You don't seem trainable. Are capable of reading ?
Posted on 11/06/2009 12:34:13 PM PST by Pontiac
AP story says Hasan used a "5.7-caliber semiautomatic pistol".
I guess Hasan is a Manly-Man.
Talk about a hand cannon!
(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...
United States: Used by U.S. Secret Service special agents assigned to protective details. Also used by numerous police departments and SWAT teams such as Passaic County, New Jersey and Duluth, Georgia. It is also used in Texas by Brownsville SWAT.
I provided a web site. You don't seem trainable. Are capable of reading ?
The AP round can penetrate Class III body armor...that’s one of the things that made the gun a brief celebrity on the Brady Campaign list. The commercially available ammo won’t penetrate Class III, but it might penetrate I & II, don’t know for sure.
[He will be tried in a military court and serve out his sentence in a Federal prison.]
[does Texas have jurisdiction, or the US Army? What court will end up trying him?]
Yes, I’m sure both of you are right. Guess I was just expressing some ‘wishfulness’ because it was in Texas. Too bad, the “people” would probably do a better job of judging him.
Had never seen or heard of the caliber before.
Copied and pasted off of this website.
You can throw rocks if you want, and probably know more about ballistics than I. But I posted this to show that the reported caliber with a 20 round clip could explain the high number of rounds he got off.
And depending on the bullets and his accuracy the high kill rate.
I do not know why everyone is so argumentative on this.
I guess it best that I leave it alone.
TF
Much better picture than mine.
TNX
He will most likely be facing court-martial for a number of spcifications under the UCMJ. Although the military hasn't executed anyone since 1961, Reagan reinstated the military death penalty back in 1984, with a few changes. Bush, just last year, was the first President to approve a military execution since Eisenhower in '58 (for the execution carried out in '61). Sadly, the execution that Bush approved was for a serial killer/rapists who's last crimes were in 1987 or 1988. So, it takes some time, and he's still not dead has his sentence was stayed pending further appeal just weeks before his scheduled execution.
The Akbar case from 2005 is pending it's final mandatory appeal, which should be completed in 2-6 months, which will put it in Obama's court to either approve or deny. Then that decisions, like the 87 case, could be appealed as well.
In short, if he were to be tried under Texas law, which isn't impossible but VERY, very unlikely, he'd be dead probably within 5 years. FWIW.
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Journalists are morons
Not a 5.7 caliber !!!
That would be a larger diameter than a .50BMG cartridge bullet or a Desert Eagle .50 caliber cartridge
5.7mm
Browning made a 9mm short
9mm, .380, .38, .357, .356 are very close in diameter
A Colt .44 C&B revolver really fired a .453”-.454” cartridge ball or bullet
A .38 does not fire a .38” bullet
Do a little research people!
An early .38 Colt bullet is much different than a later .38 Colt bullet
An early BP .22 pistol loaded with a modern Smokeless .22 cartridge just might change which hand you write and eat with
If you are not prepared to shoot to kill - stay away from handguns or longguns
PS - Ignore all the media jerks
http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=83031
Pick me up one too.
He is a member of the uniformed services and was on a military installation when the crimes occured. More than liely he will be tried in a military court martial in accordance with the Uniformed Code of Military Justice.
More bad news.... the last military execution took place.... 13 April 1961. Over 40 years ago. Ad the real kicker "The President has the power to commute a death sentence and no servicemember can be executed unless the President personally confirms the death penalty."
So, I guess you'll have to settle for this guy living a nice long life in Ft. Leavenworth. Or worst case, clemency after receiving a shout out from the Mujahid in Chief.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/us-military-death-penalty
I second that motion!
Ammunition
Particularly significant to the design of the Five-Seven is the 5.7x28mm cartridge created by FN for use in it. This cartridge weighs roughly half as much as a typical 9x19mm Parabellum cartridge[19][20], allowing extra ammunition to be carried more easily. It also produces roughly 30% less recoil[16][20], improving controllability.
One of the design intents of the SS190 variant of this cartridge (not sporting variants) was that it have the ability to penetrate Kevlar protection vests such as the NATO CRISAT vest.[16] In testing conducted by Passaic County, New Jersey Sheriff’s Department, the SS190 penetrated 11 inches in bare ballistic gelatin, and penetrated 9 inches in gelatin protected with a Kevlar vest.[17] The SS190 and similar 5.7x28mm projectiles have been shown to yaw or “tumble” in testing in ballistic gelatin and other mediums[16][17][21], using the .850 inch projectile length[9] to create a larger wound cavity. However, some are skeptical of the bullet’s performance and question whether this behavior is sufficient to overcome the bullet’s small diameter.[16]
Since the SS190 projectile does not rely on fragmentation or the expansion of a hollow point, FN claims the cartridge (and the Five-Seven) are suitable for military use under the Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907, which prohibit use of expanding or fragmenting bullets in warfare.
Oh, and he’ll do his time either on in Ft. Leavenworth at the United States Disciplinary Barracks (death row for the military). Believe me, it’s a much tighter ship than federal prison. Irrespective of how long he waits for his execution, he’ll be very uncomfortable during the process - no TV, no Gym, no Oprah.
5.7 facts, pay attention to the power paragraph below:
Cost - Entirely out of whack considering the actual production costs and materials used in the pistol. Dealers often sell the gun at a very nominal markup and it still seems vastly overpriced for what it is. FN easily trumps HK in the contest to overprice their product for the civilian market.
Accessories - The integration of a well designed Picatinny rail on the pistol opens up a lot of options in the long term. In the short term, there is not much available specifically for the gun. Owners must either be satisfied with general fit holsters or get them custom made.
Mags - Definitely a weak point in the system. Reliable and practical, but only available from one source. Some dealers and vendors are stocking up on mags for this pistol. Prices are on the high side of reasonable. We are stocking the mags at for immediate shipment.
Longevity and durability - Unknown at this time, but not promising for long term use considering the extensive use of plastics in the construction of the gun. Short term harsh environment longevity might actually be pretty good due to the lack of parts that are vulnerable to rust.
Ammunition - Difficult to obtain and expensive. The situation is unlikely to improve unless more manufacturers sell guns chambered for the 5.7 cartridge. Most ammunition for this pistol has become obscenely expensive on the open market.
Power - Questionable stopping power, but holds a lot of promise, especially as a midrange survival pistol. The power of the bullets fired from this pistol are roughly equal to .22 magnum fired from a long barreled rifle. The rare and costly hollow point bullets will even tumble when they hit a pop can, so there is some real potential for stopping power with this gun if the ammo supply gets sorted out right.
Parts - Spare parts for the gun are practically unavailable. Ergonomics and handling - Excellent, although the safety takes some getting used to. Extreme care must be exercised when handling this pistol because the safety can be inadvertently flicked on and off, even when inserting it in a holster.
Popularity - The 5-7 is not a popular gun and at current prices is not likely to ever become popular with the general public. It is likely to be well recognized due to the notoriety that some gun control groups are giving it and the guns have gained some interest with specialized law enforcement and security personnel. The price of the pistols and ammunition makes it unlikely that they will ever see common use by criminals as feared by some law enforcement and gun control groups.
Maintenance and repair - The clean burning powder and largely plastic construction makes this a particularly low maintenance pistol. The lack of any cost effective availability of spare parts can be cause for concern. Very few, if any gunsmiths who work in the private sector are schooled specialists in working on this pistol.
Accuracy - Seems good for man sized targets out to 50 meters, and probably 100 in the hands of a capable shooter. The gun is quite usable on small to medium game out to 50 meters. Reliability - The test specimen has been 100% reliable. We have not heard of any of these guns suffering from reliability problems.
Gun bump
U.S. Rep. Michael McCaul, a Republican from Austin, was briefed by military officials and said Hasan had taken some unusual classes for someone studying about mental health.
“He took a lot of extra classes in weapons training, which seems a little odd for a psychiatrist,” McCaul said.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2009-11-05-Fort-Hood_N.htm
THIS ( http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/tracking-source-gun-ft-hood-shooting/story?id=9014618 ) is what I am talking about.
Then let’s hope this is what he gets. Even ‘it’ is too good for him.
Pretty effective shooter for a head-shrinker, too. That kind of combat shooting requires a certain amount of skill. This isn’t a soldier ‘snapping’, so much as a pre-meditated act. Prove me wrong, Obama.
You don’t mention the Freeper’s screen name, I guess that I can understand that.
I the freeeper should post an account of his experience with Hasan please ping me to the thread.
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