Posted on 10/30/2009 9:23:06 AM PDT by stillafreemind
This article is on dog packs and dogs that run with coyotes. Is the economy adding to the numbers? I think so. Instead of feeding the dogs or turning the dogs over to the humane shelter, people are just "dumping" the dogs. Not only is this not the "right" thing to do, it's a dangerous thing to do.
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My dogs are let out late at night for their last doing their business. I keep my eyes on them all the time, mostly concerned with a coyote attack; seems now that a dog pack could be a concern.
Unlike most posters, being a confirmed canine-lover, I really could not bring myself to shoot either coyote or dog but I usually bring a pistol with me onto the porch to fire to scare them away. Only if one had hold of one of my dogs would I fire at the animal.
“Easy way to deal with feral dog packs, without having to “go hunting” — put out a tub of antifreeze to slake their thirst.”
You must have a helluva mean streak in you. You do realize how anti-freeze kills, destroying the liver. Read up on the effects of liver disease, FRiend.
Yes, I inadvertently caused a dog's death when I poured antifreeze to keep the toilet in our empty farmhouse from freezing (somebody at work suggested it and I couldn't figure out how to turn off the water to the house and drain the pipes for the winter. People later moved in with a dog, you can guess the rest. I felt bad about it, had no idea. Looking back it wasn't such a good idea because it was useless for the rest of the pipes in the house plus you wouldn't want it to get in the water supply.
What other innocent animals is one likely to poison by putting out antifreeze? It's inhumane.
Better to shoot them if you can, and I personally wouldn't just shoot any dog, would have to be reasonably sure they were a threat.
This is already happening and a rural girl a few years back got attacked by a pack of dogs, don't know why she went out on the road at night, meet her bf or something, found her dead the next day in the ditch, but I think hypothermia played into it as well.
I don't apologize for it, but I hate to see someone else blamed for my own meaness.
I suppose you would advocate the forced registering of horses? Cows? Goats and the funding of the new animal registration beaurocracy? Would that be at the County , state, or Federal level? Would there be a computer data base? Hoof prints, brands? Please fill in all details.
Oh, get a grip on yourself.
Grip? “Aren’t those animals registered?” I believe was your question. “Apparently not” Gives a connotation that perhaps you believe they should be.
Ok, genius. Horses are property, just like automobiles. If someone abandons an auto on your property, how would someone determine the owner?
Horses are property, and, using my genius, I can say that horses are not automobiles, though they may be used for transportation.
Since you DO seem to be concerned with abandoned horses, may I take it that you are indeed in favor of some sort of Gov’t registration? I mean beyond what is there today with Vet ID (Coggins Test information), Perhaps branding (Some still do that). Some tatoo horses on the inside of their lip. And, if a thoroughbred, they could indeed be registered, but unlikely to be abandoned.
So, genius, are you Really advocating registering horses, with the Gov’t, adding another level of control, for the good of the children of course, I am sure.
As an aside, the state has already added a "level of control" when it requires a Coggins. Do you object to that also? If not, why not?
Actually it is forced now. National Animal Identification System, or NAIS. Animals and premises are registered. Animal goes anywhere off premises and a report has to be filed with the feds.
http://www.sportsquestinternational.com/NAIS.html
What is NAIS?
On April 25, 2005, the USDA released “Draft Program Standards” (“Standards”) and a “Draft Strategic Plan” (“Plan”) concerning the NAIS. These documents provide for a three-step system:
1. Premises registration: Every person who owns or manages property with even one horse, chicken, cow, pig, sheep, goat, deer, elk, bison, or virtually any livestock animal, will be forced to register their home in a database under a 7-digit “premises ID number,” which will include GPS coordinates (Standards, pp. 3-4, 10-12; Plan, p. 5.)
2. Animal identification: Every animal will be assigned a 15-digit ID number, also to be kept in a database. The form of ID will most likely be a tag or microchip containing a Radio Frequency Identification Device. (Plan, p. 10; Standards, pp. 6, 12, 20, 27-28.) While the agencies claim that poultry and swine will get “group numbers,” most small farmers and companion-animal owners do not keep animals in ways that would qualify.
3. Animal tracking: The owner will be required to report to the government within 24 hours: every time a tag is applied, a tag is lost or replaced, an animal is killed or dies, or an animal is missing. Reports would also have to be filed every time an animal goes onto or off of a premises or commingles with animals from other premises. (Standards, pp. 12-13, 17-21.)
The bottom line for horse owners is that you will have to register with the government, tell them what animals you own, microchip every horse, and report whenever you take your horse to a show, on a trail ride, to the breeders, or almost any other place.
have you been pinged yet?
I don't know if you are just trying to get a rise out of people or are really that cruel but all of God's creatures deserve our kindness and respect. How about calling your local animal control so they can deal with the feral dogs in a humane way? People who are cruel to animals are some of the worst people on the face of the earth in my opinion.
Putting poison out is indiscriminate, and most likely illegal.
I am aware of NAIS, and don’t have an opinion on it. I will note that some of the same “constitutional experts” who find it to be a violation of their personal sovereignty will also be howling the loudest when they get the runs from some bad beef.
Here in MA, we have coyotes, but not packs of feral dogs that I have seen. I cannot own a gun -- my local police chief determines who can and who cannot (and he chooses "cannot" except for his friends). So, if I need to deal with a coyote or a pack of feral dogs, I cannot shoot them (as some on this thread have suggested).
I could call animal control. Been there, done that. They don't care. A while ago, we had some loose cows in town. Care to guess how long it took animal control to round up 6 loose cows? A month.
So, if I have a pack of feral dogs roaming my neighborhood, I have few options. It occurred to me that going to the hardware store and putting out some antifreeze is one way to deal with the problem. You don't like it? Fine. I'm not likely to do it, because I don't need to. So you can sleep easy tonight.
But let me say this -- This thread is about packs of feral dogs roaming around, eating pets, threatening people, and killing livestock.
And your big conern is that the pack of feral pitbulls might get hurt?
I'm in awe. That was a world-class mischaracterization of my comment. My hat is off to you, sir!
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