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Fossil hailed as Man's ancestor is 'not even close relative'
timesonline.co.uk ^ | Oct. 22, 2009 | Mark Henderson

Posted on 10/22/2009 7:31:23 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

It was billed as one of the most important fossil finds in history, a “missing link” that would challenge everything we knew about human evolution.

Darwinius masillae, the primitive primate that was unveiled to the world with huge fanfare and a Sir David Attenborough documentary in May, seems now to have been less of a missing link than an evolutionary dead end. Far from being an ancestor to humans, the lemur-like creature from 47 million years ago belongs to an entirely different branch of the primate family tree that has left no known descendants, research has indicated.

When Jørn Hurum, of the University of Oslo Natural History Museum, announced the discovery of the astonishingly well-preserved fossil, he described it as “the first link to all humans”. He nicknamed the animal “Ida” after his daughter, and a promotional website, a film and a book claimed that she could have been the common ancestor of all modern monkeys and apes, a relic of a critical branching moment in human evolution. Sir David, who narrated the documentary, said: “This little creature is going to show us our connection with the rest of all mammals. The link they would have said until now is missing, is no longer missing.”

The discovery of fossils of another similar animal from 37 million years ago has now cast grave doubt on that idea. Both Darwinius masillae and the new primate, Afradapis longicristatus, appear to belong to a different lineage, closer to lemurs than monkeys and apes, that died out without modern descendants.

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1 posted on 10/22/2009 7:31:23 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Some of my relatives are like that.


2 posted on 10/22/2009 7:33:10 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Another Darwinian fraud, now there’s a surprise.


3 posted on 10/22/2009 7:33:26 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

>>Another Darwinian fraud, now there’s a surprise.<<

No, it was a mistake and was discovered using the processes science has put into place to catch such things. Theology OTOH has no such mechanisms.

The TToE is unaffected by the potential removal of this data point and continues to be the only Scientific Theory that properly explains the billions of physical data that describes how humans and other creatures arrived as the are at this point.

This is a triumph, not a disgrace.


4 posted on 10/22/2009 7:37:39 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003

no, it was a mistake, but one made purposely because the religion of evolutionism needs to continually be propped up....

and as usual, evolutionism, wrong again..

the same science you praise for saying this is a mistake, is the same science that said it was a missing link in the first place...hardly a triumph...

FAIL.


5 posted on 10/22/2009 7:40:07 PM PDT by raygunfan
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To: raygunfan

>>no, it was a mistake, but one made purposely because the religion of evolutionism needs to continually be propped up....<<

You think one data point out of billions makes that much of a difference in TToE? And this is at most a classification mistake — and the fact it might be a mistake has been posited and remains to be seen.

>>and as usual, evolutionism, wrong again..<<

Nope — just a single finding that may or may not fill in a small part of the overall picture.

>>the same science you praise for saying this is a mistake, is the same science that said it was a missing link in the first place...hardly a triumph...<<

The scientific method did what it was supposed to. That is why there is peer review: to ensure that something is not added to the body of science until it has passes rigorous muster.

>>FAIL.<<

Yes — you FAIL to understand the simplest thing about science. As for science: SUCCESS.


6 posted on 10/22/2009 7:45:08 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003

no, science failed again, they spoke to soon and declared it a missing link, THEY WERE WRONG.

true science wouldnt have let it get that far moron.

SORRY, FAIL AGAIN.

SIT BACK AND READY YOURSELF FOR THE NEXT FAIL.


7 posted on 10/22/2009 7:48:29 PM PDT by raygunfan
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To: Free ThinkerNY
I feel sorry for some of those lost relatives that don't know their species and have been lost for Billions of years.
8 posted on 10/22/2009 7:53:58 PM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: raygunfan

“SIT BACK AND READY YOURSELF FOR THE NEXT FAIL.”

I must say, your particular brand of belligerent ignorance is fairly amusing.


9 posted on 10/22/2009 7:54:38 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: raygunfan

>>no, science failed again, they spoke to soon and declared it a missing link, THEY WERE WRONG.<<

Science never promises to be correct all the time. Conclusions were drawn that may or may not be right — I can’t believe you are so obtuse that you can’t see how the process succeeded. I gather you were publicly educated and are thus quite ignorant on a good many things.

>>true science wouldnt have let it get that far moron.<<

You wouldn’t know true science if it bit you on the nose, liberal idiot.

>>SORRY, FAIL AGAIN.<<

Yes you did. You should stop while you have a (very) small shred of dignity left. Yelling your ignorance in capital letters is something that most people would eschew.

>>SIT BACK AND READY YOURSELF FOR THE NEXT FAIL.<<

I have popcorn popped awaiting your next post.


10 posted on 10/22/2009 7:59:13 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: mountainlion

>>I feel sorry for some of those lost relatives that don’t know their species and have been lost for Billions of years. <<

The state probably escheated the estates by now. ;)


11 posted on 10/22/2009 8:00:50 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
The other articles about this subject posted on FR quote other scientists who where shocked to learn Jørn Hurum had announced Ida was a distant relative to humans.

This story shows how a scientific find was hijacked by the whims of one man for glory. It also shows how science as a whole prevailed by denouncing the claim and moving the specimen to the correct place in the tree.
12 posted on 10/23/2009 5:58:14 AM PDT by IronKros (The pig put foot. Grunt. Foot in what? ketchup)
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To: IronKros

Ardi, not Ida. I need more coffee.


13 posted on 10/23/2009 6:16:04 AM PDT by IronKros (The pig put foot. Grunt. Foot in what? ketchup)
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To: IronKros

Shuddup you, it was Ida. You have had too much coffee.


14 posted on 10/23/2009 6:23:10 AM PDT by IronKros (The pig put foot. Grunt. Foot in what? ketchup)
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15 posted on 10/25/2009 5:24:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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This thread ought to be interesting.


16 posted on 10/25/2009 5:29:25 PM PDT by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013 The end of an error.)
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To: IronKros

Hmmmm.

Talking to oneself - OK
Arguing with oneself - Not so good
Losing those arguments - Bad. Very bad


17 posted on 10/25/2009 5:31:49 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 276 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: rdl6989
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18 posted on 10/25/2009 6:40:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: freedumb2003; raygunfan
Yes — you FAIL to understand the simplest thing about science. As for science: SUCCESS.

Yes, we can see how fair, balanced, unbiased and successful science is, after all look at all the great work academia turns out about global warming. It's getting to the point where it just can't be refuted and of course those who try are just plain ignorant. We know by this, of course, that it is impossible to imagine science being too wrong about anything. It would be impossible to imagine that science could be really screwed up and messing around with peoples minds. Right?

19 posted on 10/25/2009 11:48:44 PM PDT by Bellflower (If you are left DO NOT take the mark of the beast and be damned forever.)
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To: RFEngineer

There are plenty of threads full of this behavior... mostly anything posted by GodGunsGuts & company.


20 posted on 10/26/2009 4:27:40 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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