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DUTCH AND BELGIANS OPEN DIKES, SEEING THREAT IN GERMAN MOVES (9/23/39)
Microfiche-New York Times archives, McHenry Library, U.C. Santa Cruz | 9/23/39 | G. H. Archambault, Stefan Starzynski, Percy Knauth, G.E.R. Gedye, Eugen Kovacs

Posted on 09/23/2009 4:53:50 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: milhist; realtime; worldwarii
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To: henkster
When Stalin stuck up Hitler in the winter of ‘39, or early ‘40, for an extra piece of Romania, it was that last little nudge to Adolf to green light Barbarossa for May, 1941 [Barbarossa was moved back to June because of the weather]. Hitler was absolutely dependent on the Ploesti oil fields [absent the petroleum shipments he was getting from the U.S.S.R], and could not allow the Soviets to be that close to those oil fields.
21 posted on 09/23/2009 11:09:09 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: abb

What kind of bass? I do salt water Stripers, myself.


22 posted on 09/23/2009 11:11:13 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: PzLdr

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largemouth_bass
Largemouth bass (Micropterus salmoides)


23 posted on 09/23/2009 11:27:58 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in thehttp://www.start news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: PzLdr
They sure as hell didn’t lose 600 planes.

Its exagerated by at least 33%. Here's a breakdown on the losses from The German Campaign In Poland (1939) by Robert M. Kennedy - Major, Infantry United States Army (italics are mine)

Results of the Campaign The German Army suffered a total of 8,082 officers and men killed, 27,278 wounded, and 5,029 missing in its 36 days of operations in Poland. Luftwaffe and Navy losses were much lighter. The figure on missing Army personnel can be considered as high, in view of the fact that the German Army destroyed the Polish Army and recovered most prisoners taken by organized military units.

Two hundred and seventeen tanks were destroyed during the period 1-30 September, including 89 Mark I vehicles, 83 Mark II's, 26 Mark III's, and 19 Mark IV's. Neutral sources also reported over 400 German aircraft of all types destroyed mostly by groundfire. Sustained operations over poor roads and rough terrain far ahead of maintenance facilities was extremely wearing on armored vehicles as well as trucks, requiring extensive repair work at the end of the campaign. German aircraft that participated in the campaign were in little better condition by the end of operations, having had to fly repeated sorties as the weather permitted, often from bases with only the most primitive landing and few if any maintenance facilities. The situation in the XIX Corps perhaps best exemplified the mate´riel situation by the end of operations when the entire corps was temporarily immobilized in East Prussia while its tanks, armored cars, and trucks were overhauled and repaired.

The Polish losses were staggering. The Germans claimed 694,000 prisoners of war, out of some 800,000 who had served in Poland's defense; the remainder were killed, captured by the Russians, had fled into Romania or Hungary, or had hidden in isolated areas of their own country. The Germans, by their own count, captured a total of 3,214 field pieces, 16,500 machine guns, 1,700 mortars, and enormous quantities of small arms and ammunition. The captured ordnance and other matériel was not considered suitable for issue by Wehrmacht standards, but could be put to use by Germany's various satellites.

That number for aircraft is for every flavor that was in theater and most likely includes accidents as well as combat losses.

24 posted on 09/23/2009 11:36:00 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (My tagline is an honor student at Free Republic Elementary School.)
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To: CougarGA7; henkster; PzLdr

Can this beat up old “C” student sit next to you smart guys?


25 posted on 09/23/2009 1:05:54 PM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: CougarGA7; henkster; PzLdr

Can this beat up old “C” student sit next to you smart guys?


26 posted on 09/23/2009 1:06:05 PM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: investigateworld; henkster; PzLdr

Only if you don’t double post.


27 posted on 09/23/2009 2:47:49 PM PDT by CougarGA7 (My tagline is an honor student at Free Republic Elementary School.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Well, it's pretty clear from this story who the bad guys really are:

"It apparently was a toss up, however, whether the Grench or the Germans who will take the initiative."

I'll bet in a few months, those Grench will be trying to steal Christmas.

28 posted on 09/23/2009 4:57:39 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: RayChuang88

The mud might be hard on the trucks and tanks though


29 posted on 09/23/2009 8:16:54 PM PDT by GeronL (Are you one of those "individual responsibility" people?)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

I found #7 to be pretty sad. Was their mayor executed?


30 posted on 09/23/2009 8:17:46 PM PDT by GeronL (Are you one of those "individual responsibility" people?)
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To: GeronL

Wiki — His fate remains unknown. According to the most probable version he was transferred to Moabit prison in Berlin and then to Dachau concentration camp where he died. However, several accounts assume that he was either transferred to a potash mine in Baelberge or that he was held hostage in Warsaw until the outbreak of the Warsaw Uprising. The most probable date of his death is October 17, 1943 (shot to death in the Dachau concentration camp), although other versions mention August 1944 (Warsaw), 1944 (Baelberge), 1943 (Spandau prison) or January 1940 (Dachau).


31 posted on 09/24/2009 3:17:54 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Interesting. I assumed that government officials in Poland would have all been executed rather swiftly.


32 posted on 09/24/2009 8:23:59 AM PDT by GeronL (Are you one of those "individual responsibility" people?)
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To: investigateworld; CougarGA7; henkster; PzLdr
"Can this beat up old “C” student sit next to you smart guys?"

Those "A" students have to sit up front, and answer hard questions every day.

Us "C" students can sit in the back, where we usually don't get called on. Indeed, sometimes we even come in late and teacher doesn't notice. ;-)

Oh, go ahead -- move up front if you want. But we'll keep a seat open for you back here, just in case... ;-) !!!

33 posted on 09/25/2009 6:08:09 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK
Ya, I'll move back to my 'row'. Sometimes I hesitate to click on the link as I already know the fate of so many innocent people.

But I do anyway, as it gives me a chance to both think of, and remember* so many folks with gave everything for the cause of liberty. (while hell was in session)

*And send up a prayer for their souls.

34 posted on 09/25/2009 8:04:10 AM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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